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Old 03-22-2013, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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So if an employer thinks the service of their employee is worth 2.00 an hour that is okay? it is not about paying what the employer thinks it is worth it is about providing a decent living for people.
I have a family of four. You are a high school student living at home. We are both hired on the same day to do the same job. According to your rule of the employer being required to provide a decent living, how much more does he need to pay me than he pays you?
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Soldotna
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So if an employer thinks the service of their employee is worth 2.00 an hour that is okay? it is not about paying what the employer thinks it is worth it is about providing a decent living for people.
No its not.

Employers will pay what the market will bear.

You are responsible for providing your own decent living.

Thus attitude is the problem with America. It's everyone else's responsibility...
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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So if an employer thinks the service of their employee is worth 2.00 an hour that is okay?
Yes.

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it is not about paying what the employer thinks it is worth it is about providing a decent living for people.
No. You have it backwards. It's your responsibility to make yourself valuable so employers will pay you a decent living. Or start your own company.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:45 AM
 
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So if an employer thinks the service of their employee is worth 2.00 an hour that is okay? it is not about paying what the employer thinks it is worth it is about providing a decent living for people.
Actually, you are wrong. In a free market society, you are paid what your employee feels you are worth. You are then free to continue working for that wage, or go somewhere else. Their objective is NOT to provide a living for their employee. That would be the objective of a job in a communist country.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I have a family of four. You are a high school student living at home. We are both hired on the same day to do the same job. According to your rule of the employer being required to provide a decent living, how much more does he need to pay me than he pays you?
That is why a two tier wage would be good idea.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Yes.

No. You have it backwards. It's your responsibility to make yourself valuable so employers will pay you a decent living. Or start your own company.
Is it? This seems to be the war cry of the selfish and the rich. Anything they can do to keep being greedy. Last time I checked we do not live in a Darwin everyone for themselves society. They do not care about the poor so they will make any excuse to blame and put responsibility on the poor.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:10 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Actually, you are wrong. In a free market society, you are paid what your employee feels you are worth. You are then free to continue working for that wage, or go somewhere else. Their objective is NOT to provide a living for their employee. That would be the objective of a job in a communist country.
Why should it not provide a living wage? Is this is what work is now a slave wage? Why even work if you can not live on that wage? Employers are not being held responsible for treating employees well and paying them well and we are all suffering.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Why should it not provide a living wage? Is this is what work is now a slave wage? Why even work if you can not live on that wage? Employers are not being held responsible for treating employees well and paying them well and we are all suffering.
An employers responsibility is not to provide a living wage. Only to provide a safe and legal work environment.

The onus of earning a decent wage is on the employee. You must get your own education or make yourself worth more.

You position is akin to requiring that doctors make you healthy instead of the patients...
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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So if an employer thinks the service of their employee is worth 2.00 an hour that is okay? it is not about paying what the employer thinks it is worth it is about providing a decent living for people.
Actually, yes. If the employee doesn't like it, they should not take a job that pay that wage. I'm for abolishing min wage laws and making it a total free market situation. And it's actually not about providing a decent living wage for people, it's about what the employee is worth and what the job description entails.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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That is why a two tier wage would be good idea.
You cannot pay people according to what they need to live on. I could go out and buy a half million dollar home and a Bentley and send two kids to private school and then demand my employer pay me a living wage. Gimme a break.
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