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Due Process is guaranteed by the Constitution. No matter Dorner's actions or state of mind, he was entitled to Due Process under the United States Constitution.
I am astounded and ashamed how many American's continue to surrender their rights. There will be a eventual backlash to this, and then it will be too late.
Fools.
If he wanted due process, why didn't he surrender?
I'd like to know exactly what you propose the authorities should have done in this situation.
Did they have a duty to do so? Besides, Dorner was murdering cops up to the end, so the idea that he was going to surrender is a specious one, and the idea that he was no longer a threat is an even more specious idea.
The LAPD wasn't there. San Bernardino County Sheriff's fired the incendiary tear gas canister in after regular tear gas failed to remove Dorner from the cabin.
The lengths cop haters will go to defend a murderer like Dorner is quite impressive (but also a little scary).
More than seven agencies, federal, state and local were involved in the final hours of the siege. The LAPD SWAT Team was airlifted in to carry out the final raid, with reports later confirming, “the SWAT team had the cabin surrounded.”
I am not defending Dorner. What he did was very wrong. I am however not OK with police shooting first and asking questions later like they did when they shot at 3 innocent people who they were lucky to not have been killed. I also think that they should not have burned down the cabin. What do you think they meant when they were heard yelling "burn the mother ****** down"? If Dorner had hostages, they would have burned right along side of him. The police have a responsibility to avoid putting the public in danger in their pursuit of criminals.
Why should they? He never made any attempt to turn himself in, he stated that he would not be taken alive, and why should they risk anyone else being killed by this heavily armed killer? He got exactly what he deserved.
The police should not have risked innocent people's lives in their reckless pursuit of Dorner. Remember the three innocent people they shot at?
again, the burning could have been done by Dorner himself.
Just to be devil's advocate, the let it burn remark could be just what is stated. Let's say the fire wasn't started by the police, but instead felt no desire, once started, for it to be put out. Frankly from what I've seen and heard in the past from cops, that would be far more inline with the events. Does it put the cops in a better light, not in my estimation but it seems to me to be a more realistic alternative.
Due Process is guaranteed by the Constitution. No matter Dorner's actions or state of mind, he was entitled to Due Process under the United States Constitution.
yes he was allowed Due Process. If he didn't act like a the violent coward he was, he would have gotten that due process.
no, he wanted to die, which is why he ran away like the coward he was, and hid. If he wanted due process, he would have turned himself in. If he wanted due process, he wouldn't have killed anyone at all.
This man wasn't looking for due process. he was looking to die, and he was hoping that the cops would kill him.
When a person shoots at anyone, Due process goes out the window and SAFETY for others comes into play. If that person can be apprehended without harm, then the due process kicks in.
Dorner was not interested at all in that. He wanted to die.
again, the burning could have been done by Dorner himself.
It could have happened when they heard the gun shot after a tear gas canister was shot into/toward the cabin (the most likely cause of the fire).
If you think they deliberately set fire to a cabin, you are as deluded as the rest of the posters who think the same.
When I hear the police in the background of the scanner repeatedly yelling, "Burn the mother****** down!" over and over again and then the cabin goes up in flames, yes, I am going to think that they intentionally burned it down. Who wouldn't believe that?
Well, all police officers in the state of California have law enforcement authority within the entire state, so... who knows, maybe they were in fact the most capable SWAT team in the region, Big Bear is only 80 miles from L.A. Or maybe it was professional courtesy.
Did they say that? I'm sure they meant it, after all, mostly San Bernardino Sheriffs there, and Dorner had just murdered one, and critically wounded another - so I suspect no one was particularly torn up at the prospect of Dorner choosing to burn to death rather than surrender.
Come on now, let's not be delusional - we all know that Dorner was not going to voluntarily surrender himself.
As for shooting at the civilians - yep, stupid moves by nervous people - however, the city of L.A will be paying a lot in damages for that.
Just to be devil's advocate, the let it burn remark could be just what is stated.
From an unknown source, not confirmed as coming from any police entity. We don't know if that the recording is from the LAPD, the San Bernarndino sherrifs or police, the fire fighters on scene, or a fake transmission put out by conspiracy theory mongers.
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Let's say the fire wasn't started by the police, but instead felt no desire, once started, for it to be put out.
Yes, approach a burning building with a holed up man with a known arsenal. Did the police or fire fighters know that Dorner wouldn't be shooting at them while they tried to put the fire out?
Criminals do stupid things, and its been known that people have shot at fire fighters when they tried to put fires out. don't know why, but maybe its to hide another crime, or the evidence of arson.
so the police should let Dorner run around killing cops instead?
Sorry, but this was a madman who killed an innocent couple who had nothing to do with the police at all. He was a danger to the community.
They should have cautiously pulled over the suspects that turned out not to be Dorner rather then shooting at innocent people. Dorner killing innocent people does not give police license to do the same thing.
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