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Old 02-19-2013, 03:40 AM
 
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Who's gonna pay for the socialized medicine?

Businesses will compete. After they have ALL raised their prices. You can't push up a businesses expenses and think they will compete to the point of not making money.

You really should take a class in business.

Then you should support reducing the excessive regulation which makes it so hard to live on minimum wage.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:45 AM
 
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The whole point of starting a business is to turn a profit. Take that away and whats the point of staying in business.

Beats earning minimum wage working for someone else.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:48 AM
 
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A minimum-wage law, is society's way of saying that jobs that are only worth a lower amount, aren't worth doing AT ALL. The law has the effect of eliminating those jobs completely.

When was the last time you pulled into a gas station for fuel, and somebody came out and asked if you wanted your windshield washed, tires inflated, and oil and engine-cooling fluid checked?

Such jobs are no longer done, at all. Because min-wage laws made it necessary for the gas station owner to raise his gas prices so much to pay the guy washing your windshield, that you would go to the station down the street instead, whose gas prices are a LOT lower and nobody washed your windshield.

Because YOU (not the station owner) decided that the extra money for gas, was more than you wanted to pay to get your windshield washed, tires checked etc.

A few states, once the min-wage law destroyed jobs like these, have made even more laws to try to make up for the effects of the previous law, forcing gas stations to employ people to pump your gas. At that (higher) minimum wage, natch. All of those stations have higher gas prices than they would have had if they hadn't compounded laws upon more laws upon more laws, trying to undo the damage the previous laws did.
I would believe what you say if the CEO's of these gas stations weren't getting richer and richer.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:50 AM
 
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Ummm... wrong.

They are not being done.

When did you last pull into a gas station, and some kid came out to ask you if you wanted your windshield washed, tires pumped up, and water and oil checked?

The gas station owner found that, as the minimum wage rose, he had to increase his gas prices more and more to pay the kid who did those things. And YOU quit going to his gas station as a result, and started going the the station a few blocks down the street that had lower prices and no kid washing windshields.

YOU decided that that job wasn't worth doing. And so the gas station owner fired the kid and kept his prices lower.

This is rich. We're here worked up over a few cents per gallon of gas (whether or not a pump jockey is employed) while Big Oil is micro-tweaking prices at individual locations for considerably greater profit.

Bill O'Reilly has discussed this more than once, so this isn't coming from out in left field.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:45 AM
 
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How do you come to this conclusion?

We don't need more people on welfare. We spend more on welfare than our military!

Working people won't have greater spending power because the dollar will be worth less and goods and services will increase. And you end up with higher unemployment.
Welfare for working people will be abolished, and those who are not working will also have their welfare levels reduced.

Dollar won't be worth less due to the fact that there will be less earners.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:52 AM
 
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If labor costs rise companies will automate, outsource, and offshore what they can to save a buck. There isn't any reason to artificially raise the min wage.
how will places such as WM and MacD's retain their domestic market if they move offshore?
Automate? - only so far you can take that presently.

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How is a teen going to compete for a job if the job is no longer there or if they don't have any experience? Need experience to get a job, but you need the job to gain experience... Sound familiar?

It honestly sounds like you just hate the poor, almost as if there very existence repulses you.

Wait, weren't you the one that created a thread about the sight of pool cleaners upsetting you? Something about the hotel hiring them and you wanted them out of your sight is coming to mind.
Teens are in higher demand in many places due to their youth.

A lot of companies would rather hire an 18 year old than someone of 35.

Hate the poor? - quite the contrary.

I actually love the poor - what I hate is the concept of 'working poor' which exists merely to line the pockets of the already rich.

And you have clearly missed the point with my 'poolcleaner' thread - that was an attack on social divide and rule.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:56 AM
 
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Who's gonna pay for the socialized medicine?

Businesses will compete. After they have ALL raised their prices. You can't push up a businesses expenses and think they will compete to the point of not making money.

You really should take a class in business.
They will compete and increase prices only up to the point that they price themselves out of the market.

And people will all be taxed higher to pay for fully socialised medicine - a progressive tax which will also ensure that businesses cannot push their prices up too high.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: NJ
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All of those things have more to do with the improvements to technology than anything else.
Driven by a desire to cut payroll costs.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm living on it, which means I can't afford to go to school, learn a trade, get someplace in life.
Why not? Take a student loan, get a scholarship or grant, attend part-time, just as millions do.

Multi-task.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why not? Take a student loan, get a scholarship or grant, attend part-time, just as millions do.

Multi-task.
that would take motivation instead of 10 hours a day on C-D.
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