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Old 02-13-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Seems wallets with IDs are popping up all over California.
How many did the man have ?
Funny you should ask....I nearly tripped and fell this afternoon walking around in Torrance, and lo and behold, it was a wallet with Dorner's photo IDs in it. Imagine my surprise when I went shopping at the Fresh and Easy in Manhattan Beach and as I'm grabbing a cart -BAM- another Dorner wallet just sitting right there in the kiddie seat. This Dorner guy must have ADD, the whole of Southern California is apparently littered with this guy's personal IDs.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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Just because one can see inconsistencies and unanswered questions does not make one a conspiracy theorist.

Where was the wallet at the San Ysidro Border crossing? Pedestrian or vehicle area? Is there video? what kind of wallet was it? what kind of ID? When did he go there? He has been in Big Bear the last week.

What kind of ID was in the cabin> What kind of wallet? If he was burned beyond recognition why wasn't the wallet?

Why didn't the police search the condo complex where he was hiding? The people that live there say no one came by or spoke to them.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Just because one can see inconsistencies and unanswered questions does not make one a conspiracy theorist.
Why is conspiracy such a buzzword? Why is labeling someone a conspiracy theorist automatically seen as 'kooky' or crazy.

Conspiracy = An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

Do people honestly believe this does not occur DAILY in the government? Everyone in the government just obeys the law?

It's really amazing how brainwashed some people are.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Why don't you post up a current picture of the cabin?

i just saw one pic of the cabin, and it was cooked to the foundation. cant see how a wallet could survive from the look of what was left of that cabin..
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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Why is conspiracy such a buzzword? Why is labeling someone a conspiracy theorist automatically seen as 'kooky' or crazy.

Conspiracy = An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

Do people honestly believe this does not occur DAILY in the government? Everyone in the government just obeys the law?

It's really amazing how brainwashed some people are.
Okay strawman, we aren't talking about two guys planning a way to take over the US baseball team

We are talking about the counter narrative. I.e. the loony belief that the world seems to be perfect, there is never mass murders, or terrorists, or crazy religious people who burn themselves up. Those don't exist in the "real" world, instead it must be some elaborate ploy by the government.

Everything is a "conspiracy" these days, and for those people we are safe in calling them crazy.

Seems like every public event these days is part of the global world plot to pull down your pants, or something . . I don't know anymore. Its like God, these theories, they get crazier everyday.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Okay strawman, we aren't talking about two guys planning a way to take over the US baseball team

We are talking about the counter narrative. I.e. the loony belief that the world seems to be perfect, there is never mass murders, or terrorists, or crazy religious people who burn themselves up. Those don't exist in the "real" world, instead it must be some elaborate ploy by the government.

Everything is a "conspiracy" these days, and for those people we are safe in calling them crazy.

Seems like every public event these days is part of the global world plot to pull down your pants, or something . . I don't know anymore. Its like God, these theories, they get crazier everyday.
Some conspiracy theories are loony some are perfectly sane and even true. Each one has to be identified on their own merits and dismissed.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Why is conspiracy such a buzzword? Why is labeling someone a conspiracy theorist automatically seen as 'kooky' or crazy.
Why? This is why:

The Ten Key Characteristics of Nut-Job Conspiracy Theorists

1. Religious zeal.

Nut-jobs generally believe that they are participants in a holy / patriotic / moral crusade, and hence their opponents are not merely political or ideological opponents, they are evil infidels.

2. Impermeability to incontrovertible fact.

It does not matter how conclusively or comprehensively an argument or assertion has been refuted, nut-jobs never abandon an argument once ventured. Nut-job lies never die.

3. Willingness to embrace the impossible.

Nut-job arguments regularly cross the line from excruciatingly improbable to physically impossible. Nut-jobs fearlessly violate the laws of physics and propose theories that rend the time-space continuum.

4. Abhorrence of simplicity (Rube Goldberg’s Razor) .

Nut-jobs never settle for a simple solution to a problem when a hopelessly complex and idiotic alternative can be proposed. “Occams Razor” is anathema to nut-jobs.

5. Emotional (and other) projection.

It is almost impossible to read someone else’s emotional state or actually know anything about them across the Internet. So nut-jobs regularly attribute their own emotional states, prejudices and motives to their opponents. This is often also called “Irony blindness.”

6. Anomaly Mining.

Nut-jobs are tireless in their search for minuscule anomalies and coincidences around which they assemble vast complexes of suspicion, most of which are actually irrelevant to their cause. The tiniest and most meaningless detail will often take on a life of its own, rendering their theories even more opaque and incomprehensible to rational observers.

7. Simultaneous contradictory beliefs.

Nut-jobs often imagine at the same time and even in the same sentence that (for example) they are fighting forces which are both super-humanly brilliant and powerful … and completely incompetent.

8. Irrational anticipation of imminent victory.


Nut-jobs are often convinced that they are just one day/argument/case away from completely vanquishing their rhetorical foes. They will believe this for years and years and years and…

9. Inability to comprehend disagreement.

Nut-jobs cannot conceive of anybody honestly disagreeing with them. Therefore anybody who disagrees must be either “part of the conspiracy,” paid to pretend they believe something they do not, or victims of violent extortion.

10. The Appeal to Galileo.

Nut-jobs know that they are considered nut-jobs. So they regularly appeal to “great nut-jobs of history” who were eventually proven to not be so nutty after all. Ignoring that Galileo was actually never considered a nut-job in the first place, for every nut-job rehabilitated by history ten thousand nut-jobs resolutely remained nut-jobs.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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Funny how people yell "conspiracy theory" and "tin foil hat" but never answer pretty basic questions.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Funny how people yell "conspiracy theory" and "tin foil hat" but never answer pretty basic questions.
They fit all the criteria on the above list.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Why? This is why
If you're not Frank Arduini, I suggest you source his blog entry.
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