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Old 09-03-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Why not load up on them? After all, all you people who wind up hiding from the world in your caves, could use the ammo to extract the gun powder to build fires. Could be a good market to generate revenue for the rest of us.
Gun powder to build fires? Naw man i use 2 sticks and call it a bow drill. Been the tech since the Dawn of Man.

google it i know it's there, just because you can't do it, doesn't mean other people can't
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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Because of the gov't stockpiling, the shelves are virtually empty.
What is holding this country up is our manufacturing of weaponry, our number one export is war and war toys.
I don't know what to think. The feds can't be stock piling all the .22's and there is none now for more than 2 years. I don't care since i have bricks of them since before Y2K just because I shoot. Everything is hard to get. While i need none I understand other guys still do.

Just can't figure out where cheaper paper punching fodder is.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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So? Are you worried the Americans are gonna come gunning for you?
We will see won't we. We will know after you are locked up in what ever place it is. Urbanites will be the first to get locked up ......

I won't mind if the Feds take NJ and Delaware a bit. They can have NYC, Boston, Hartford and assorted gun grabber cities at will I and we won't care.

never the less i bet they fear Chicago too much to go there.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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stockpiled????....nope used


btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)

1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.

All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).

There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.

Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).

15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).

On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.

^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.

Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
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24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,


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and really alex jones...
Sounds to me like not only do the Feds buy too much ammo, they have too many law enforcement officers.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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So what? They can't what they aim at.
I agree with that. They should each be given 1 bullet like Barney Fife, but be told to use it like Kipling stated.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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I would be worried about homegrown terrorists too, we have plenty of nutjobs in this country stocking up for a fictional war.
Did you know Earth was flat? Did you know man would never fly? Did you know that if man exceeded 30 miles an hour the air would just be sucked out of his lungs and man would die?

You must have tripped one to many times in Frank Zappa's it can't happen here. It will happen here, it's just a matter of time and who.

Do you really think the Feds can't lose a war to some other entity? Do you think no one can invade our soil? Well boy it's been done time and again.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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I suppose the question here that begs to be answered is; why we need a quarter million man
Para-military Federal goon squad to begin with? The answer is simple, we do not.


DHS spends the vast majority of its time harassing, intimidating, and spying on US citizens.
It is time for American citizens to write their representatives and tell them they support defunding DHS and will vote accordingly.
I agree. They need to have a bake sale because I at least of sick of paying these un-ending taxes.

WE buy the ammo and WE pay the checks.
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Old 09-03-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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To keep the nutjobs on their toes and make sure they are too afraid to leave the comfort of the homes to start this war they keep talking about.
I hope you understand that if you are right, then the war has already begun, only the nutjobs are all wearing uniforms.
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Old 09-03-2013, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Just to reiterate:

1B rounds of ammo = impending gov't assault on Americans.

$100Bs in tanks, aircrafts, drones, and battleships = stuff just for show in foreign countries.

This is why American Conservatives are circling the drain. They've got mental titans like this dragging down the entire group...
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We will see won't we. We will know after you are locked up in what ever place it is. Urbanites will be the first to get locked up ......

I won't mind if the Feds take NJ and Delaware a bit. They can have NYC, Boston, Hartford and assorted gun grabber cities at will I and we won't care.

never the less i bet they fear Chicago too much to go there.
Well I won't be holding my breath for your wet dream fantasy to come true.
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