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Old 02-16-2013, 12:24 AM
 
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Nothing to see here.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.
To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

Read More At IBD: Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? by Andrew Malcolm - Investors.com

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Old 02-16-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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Do they have high capacity magazines.

They ought to be banned.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:34 AM
 
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Nothing to see here.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.
To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

Read More At IBD: Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? by Andrew Malcolm - Investors.com

well, the ammo makers such as Winchester Olin are making over 1 billion rounds of ammo a week currently, and the feds are not the only ones stocking up. the people are stocking up quite nicely as well. lots of people have millions of their own cartridges as well. when you add up all the peoples ammunition compared to what the feds have, you will find that the peoples supply way outnumbers the feds by far.
if we go by what you state for what the military was shooting during the Iraq war, I can go for 4.3 days.

times that by 3,000,000 people and you will see who outnumbers who.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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Nothing to see here.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.
To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

Read More At IBD: Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? by Andrew Malcolm - Investors.com

stockpiled????....nope used


btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)

1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.

All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).

There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.

Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).

15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).

On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.

^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.

Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
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24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,


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and really alex jones...
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:42 AM
 
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DHS are the ones purchsing all this. I think the admin has come to the realization that the US military won't raise arms up against citizens but the TSA agents on the other hand who are nothing but drug runners, child molesters, criminals and perverts will do anything to another human for a paycheck. Shooting fellow citizens with hollow point rounds banned by the geneva conventions in combat will probably get them a bonus. Thankfully they aren't trained like the US military and the liberals who join sides with them will be overwhelmed easily.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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stockpiled????....nope used


btw DHS has 250,000 employees, which most are required to zero and quailfy with their weapon semi-annually (2x a year)

1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition? = NOT A LARGE AMOUNT.

All federal agencies buy TONS of ammunition for training, qualifications, and yes, likely minor stockpiles (even agencies have to be prepared for foreign trade disagreements which can lead to cost increases or lack of availability of ammunition, or the components to build it).

There are hundreds of federal law enforcement agencies, employing several million officers/agents. Most federal law enforcement agencies qualify, at minimum, four times a year. Training and academies require even more (I fired 3,000 rounds of .40S&W (gasp, hollow points!) over a 5 month period. My class had fifty students, so 3,000x50 = 150,000 rounds...and the academy had 15-20 classes on hand at any one time.

Let's do the math of simple active agents in the Border Patrol for example. Depending on the year, we'll go with roughly 15,000 field agents. Now those agents only shoot quals four times a year, but that's about 120 rounds each (72 for qual, and drills).

15,000x120 = 1,800,000....four times a year = 7,200,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the agency per year. That's JUST one agency, without including its academy classes, or special units (SRT, NSRT, BORTAC, BORSTAR, etc. who all do a boat-load of firearms practice).

On top of this, for each qual, every single agent was issued 300 rounds. This was provided so that you could do extra training without paying for ammunition (which can get expensive). So you can actually double that number to roughly 15,000,000 rounds of ammunition issued to agents in the field each year.

^This number is also ONLY primary handgun ammunition. Agents qualify with Shotguns, and M4's as well. The specialty units use a variety of other firearms in addition.

Does anyone who posts these articles, or regurgitates them have any logistical experience whatsoever? Or are these the same idiots who think that a person owning 1,000 rounds of ammunition has a "dangerous stockpile!". I absolutely hate tin-foil jackasses who gab on and on about something they obviously have zero experience in. Methinks if these people saw the numbers on ammunition issued/produced for the military they would sh_t themselves blind.
========================

24 year war???????
According to the GAO we used something like 1.8 billion rounds of small arms ammo a year in Iraq,


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and really alex jones...
DHS should have been buying up a couple billion of rounds every year then if they go through it as fast as you say.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:47 AM
 
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DHS should have been buying up a couple billion of rounds every year then if they go through it as fast as you say.


not really.

after all, not every employee in DHS is a shooter or even has a firearm on them. figure about 1 in 10 as and uses firearms.
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:37 AM
 
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Obama's still prattling on about gun control when nobody's even listening to him any more.
Now what about those " burners", the incendiary tear gas grenades the feds and police are so fond of?
Gun owners had better stock up on fire extinguishers.
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:56 AM
 
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Obama's still prattling on about gun control when nobody's even listening to him any more.
Now what about those " burners", the incendiary tear gas grenades the feds and police are so fond of?
Gun owners had better stock up on fire extinguishers.


it is hard to burn ~32 inches of concrete, but yes i do have fire extinguishers in my home.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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Default 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security?

Billion rounds?

What the hell is really driving this massive buy??

"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America."


1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes

The Denver post story mentioned in the story........
Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo - The Denver Post
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