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Old 02-17-2013, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Let's see if the affirmative action POTUS gets yet another free pass on this one.........


Court says Obama appointments violate constitution
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:43 AM
 
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Let's see if the affirmative action POTUS gets yet another free pass on this one.........


Court says Obama appointments violate constitution
The courts also ruled that Bush violated the Constitution when he argued that he could hold American citizens in prison and not allow them their due process rights.

Unfortunately we do not actually hold presidents accountable for their unconstitutional actions.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is what the supreme court is for
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:48 AM
 
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The courts also ruled that Bush violated the Constitution when he argued that he could hold American citizens in prison and not allow them their due process rights.

Unfortunately we do not actually hold presidents accountable for their unconstitutional actions.
So did Bush argue that he could do that or did he actually do it?
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:56 AM
 
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So did Bush argue that he could do that or did he actually do it?
He did it.

In a legal argument that could as easily be used to justify a declaration of martial law, the Justice Department last week asserted the right of the president and the military to indefinitely hold US citizens deemed “enemy combatants” incommunicado, without formal charges, the right to a hearing or legal counsel.

This assertion of extra-constitutional powers came in a protracted legal tug-of-war over Yaser Esam Hamdi, a 21-year-old detainee who was captured in Afghanistan and brought to the US detention camp at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba. Earlier this year, after it was discovered that he was born in Louisiana and in all likelihood is entitled to US citizenship, he was transferred to a Navy brig in Virginia.

The Bush administration has waged a ferocious battle to block any judicial hearing to determine Hamdi’s status and any contact between the detainee and public defenders seeking to represent him.


Bush claims right to jail US citizens indefinitely, without charges or hearing - World Socialist Web Site

Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 (2004), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court recognized the power of the government to detain enemy combatants, including U.S. citizens, but ruled that detainees who are U.S. citizens must have the rights of due process, and the ability to challenge their enemy combatant status before an impartial authority.

Hamdi v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would bet that a decent percentage of those who would like to impeach Obama over his actions here support or supported Bush's argument.
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Old 02-17-2013, 06:59 AM
 
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Every morning I always hope to hear news of barry's demise.
Our current POTUS is not good for America. The sooner
he is gone the better off this country will be.

Impeach him or a maybe we will get lucky and a asteriod will land on his head,
either is fine with me as long as he is gone.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Let's see if the affirmative action POTUS gets yet another free pass on this one.........


Court says Obama appointments violate constitution
Impeachment for recess appointments?

For over 150 years it has been practiced both by Democratic and Republican administrations

President Ronald Reagan - 240 recess appointments ,
President George W. Bush - 171 recess appointments
President Bill Clinton - 139 recess appointments
President George H. W. Bush - 77 recess appointments
President Barack Obama - 32 recess appointments.

If 20 days that there are no sessions in which business is to be conducted is not a recess, then what is?

The case was about WHEN it was done, not WHAT was done.

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Old 02-17-2013, 07:14 AM
 
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Impeachment for recess appointments?

For over 150 years it has been practiced both by Democratic and Republican administrations

President Ronald Reagan - 240 recess appointments,
President George W. Bush - 171 recess appointments
President Bill Clinton - 139 recess appointments
President George H. W. Bush - 77 recess appointments
President Barack Obama - 32 recess appointments.
You're missing one small point. barry's definition of recess meant they left
the building for a bathroom break. It won't wash.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Let's see if the affirmative action POTUS gets yet another free pass on this one.........


Court says Obama appointments violate constitution
That's not an impeacbable offence. What "high crime and misdemeanor" did he commit? Presidents over reach power that is checked by courts all the time, so does congress.

Maybe you should read your constitution. At any rate, I'm sure the ruling will be appealed.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:18 AM
 
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Impeachment for recess appointments?

For over 150 years it has been practiced both by Democratic and Republican administrations

President Ronald Reagan - 240 recess appointments,
President George W. Bush - 171 recess appointments
President Bill Clinton - 139 recess appointments
President George H. W. Bush - 77 recess appointments
President Barack Obama - 32 recess appointments.

If 20 days is not a recess, then what is?

The case was about WHEN not WHAT he did.
When he did it was unconstitutional. What other presidents have done in the past that was constitutional is irrelevant, granting that arguments are often times poorly stated but I saw no argument that stated that recess appointments were the problem here.
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