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Old 02-18-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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I predict that any history of Barak Obama's presidency will begin with the fact that he was the first African American President of the United States and successfully was elected to a second term. The next topic will be his presiding over the recovery from the economic collapse, followed by the enactment of the nations first national healthcare policy and last the wind down of both the Iraq and Afghan wars.

The quality of his presidential actions will be long debated in upper level economics and foreign policy courses for years with some historians giving praise and others in disagreement just as the policies of every president remain the subject of historical debate. Will his presidency rise to the standard of Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, or the Roosevelts and perhaps Kennedy, I don't think so, but it will favorably compared to many others. It certainly will not be judged in the light of James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson, Grant or Nixon.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:39 PM
 
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good president, bad president, decent president, good but flawed president?
As he voted 150 plus times a a State Senator from Ill. "Present" - nothing more. Occupying a seat, and little more.

His two terms, and the two years before, with Pelosi and Reid running Congress, will go down as the lost decade in the annals of American Hhistory.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Inspire them to what?

African Americans have been hurt the most by his policies. He'll be remembered as the first black President who could do no wrong, and if anyone thinks otherwise they're racists.

There is one shortcoming that is, in the long run, the most significant – and regrettably so, because Obama is uniquely qualified, and could have vastly improved America as a whole, had he addressed the issue. It is to have confronted the destruction of the Black family that has been the hallmark of the Black underclass for the last 40 years. Yet as he approaches the end of his Presidency, he has done virtually nothing.
Obama's Biggest Failure as President - Bruce Bialosky - Page 1


What a legacy.

But in case you need a little more.

The President who:
-ran on unity and then divided a nation.
-made more broken promises than any in history
-took no responsibility for his own failed policies
-blamed his predecessor well beyond his first term (call that a prophecy)
-spent more revenue than all presidents combined
-ended with unemployment higher than when he began eight years earlier (another prophecy)
-spent more money on infrastructure and public works without actually creating jobs
-Allowed states like CA to outsource public works to Chinese companies
ABC News, Sept. 23, 2011: U.S. law actually requires major infrastructure projects to Buy America when the cost difference is reasonable. In California, U.S. firms say they would have met those guidelines. But state officials decided to turn down federal money for a major part of the bridge, allowing a Chinese company to get the job.
-invested billions in failed alternative energy companies only to firesale them to the Chinese
Chinese company wins bid for battery maker A123 - Salon.com
-the only President in history to not get a budget passed in his entire first term
-food stamp roles went up 60% in his first four years, and will most likely double before he's done
-never closed Gitmo
-devalued the dollar faster than any admninstration before (the dollar is now worth about .08, and was worth .22 when he started)
-gas prices more than doubled
-electricity charges have risen 180%
-food has gone up an average of 28%
-the average family of four income has dropped $6k year

This is too painful to keep listing. I'm sure he inspired someone...



like Chris Mathews
You forgot about:

  • Signing NDAA which allows US Citizens to be assassinated without a trial but let his Muslim brothers out of a military trial and into civilian courts. (Nice!)
  • Has his own personal "kill list".
  • Started a drone war in Yemen (end around Congress)
  • Military action in Pakistan
  • Told everyone we were pulling out of Iraq and we are still there and will be there for the long run
  • Sold 25-30 Billion dollars worth of weapons to Syria that have been used to kill it's own people
  • Did a TV commercial promoting clean coal for votes then had the EPA establish regulations that kills coal jobs
  • Signed the Patriot Act back into law when he could have killed it.
  • Oh... the list goes on and on..
This guy makes Bush look like Gandhi and they gave him a peace prize.. LMAO! If he wasn't black he would have been voted out of office his second term and that's a fact.

Added: I forgot to add the fake tears he shed for the children killed at Newton but the lack of tears or even the acknowledgment of the 100's of children his drone attacks have killed..

The left will realize, after he is gone, that they were lied to and treated as his majesties means to an end.

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Old 02-18-2013, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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good president, bad president, decent president, good but flawed president?
History will remember him first and foremost as the first black president. That will overshadow virtually all other judgments about his efficacy, for better or worse.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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Well, he's only halfway through his presidency so maybe I'll come back to this thread in Jan 2017. Assuming we are still around...hyperinflation, food shortages, drone strikes, etc.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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Well, he's only halfway through his presidency so maybe I'll come back to this thread in Jan 2017. Assuming we are still around...hyperinflation, food shortages, drone strikes, etc.
Likely, we won't.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:13 AM
 
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They have nothing to do with what historians do, neither do conservatives.
Of course they do. History is a tool. It's naive to say that liberals and conservatives have nothing to do with what historians do. Many American Indians were violent savages who murdered and pillaged neighboring tribes, but they have been transformed into noble peaceloving people who were one with nature. Whites brought blacks over from Africa as slaves. But where did they come from in Africa? Black slavetraders. But that part has been largely erased from history. FDR saved the country from the Great Depression with his grand visionary New Deal. But did he really? No. The crash was already over, the stock market was on its way back up and unemployment was falling before he ever took the oath of office. The postwar American golden age was a time of economic progress, falling poverty, strong family values, great scientific strides. But how are liberals teaching it? Oppression of women and blacks. And now liberals are in the process of erasing Democrat blame for the great recession we've just recently gone through, shifting the true cause of the housing bubble over to the Middle East conflict so they can blame it entirely on President Bush instead of it being an unintended consequence of the minority housing initiatives that Democrats supported.

If you have a true interest in history, enough to seek history out and read it on your own then sure all the facts and multiple interpretations are there. But the popular history within the culture at large that's taught in general history survey courses is absolutely manipulated by liberals. It's absurd to think it isn't.

And that's not say conservatives wouldn't manipulate it. They absolutely would. They just aren't in a position to do so as 80% of teachers are registered Democrats.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I don't know? How does history remember Taft?
Taft is recalled by many armchair historians as a competent and impartial administrator who, unfortunately for his legacy, presided at a time when the economy was growing rapidly, but those at its periphery often suffered severe hardships; the appalling rate of industrial and transportation accidents, the casualties of which (in absolute figures) peaked during his Administration, is perhaps the most prominent evidence.

But while Taft did not lead an advocacy with regrd to this and similar issues, neither did he make any attemot to stand in the way -- he merely played the role assigned to him via a strict interpretation of the Constitution.

I find it fitting that within my lifetime, grandstanding demagogues such as Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt have lost some of their stature, while reliable foot-soldiers of progress such as Taft, Cleveland, and John Quincy Adams have been quietly gaining ground.

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Old 02-19-2013, 01:33 AM
 
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I predict that any history of Barak Obama's presidency will begin with the fact that he was the first African American President of the United States and successfully was elected to a second term. The next topic will be his presiding over the recovery from the economic collapse, followed by the enactment of the nations first national healthcare policy and last the wind down of both the Iraq and Afghan wars.

The quality of his presidential actions will be long debated in upper level economics and foreign policy courses for years with some historians giving praise and others in disagreement just as the policies of every president remain the subject of historical debate. Will his presidency rise to the standard of Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, or the Roosevelts and perhaps Kennedy, I don't think so, but it will favorably compared to many others. It certainly will not be judged in the light of James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Johnson, Grant or Nixon.
What economic recovery?

The health care policy that is extremely flawed?

The wars he promised to end in his first term?

How about excusing Eric Holder who was running guns to Mexico and giving them to the cartels?
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:25 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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He will be remembered as a social experiment gone horribly wrong.
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