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Old 03-13-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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It's like I said, alot of it is misconception. No doubt there is abuse and fraud rampant. But what happens is someone hears someone else talking about how they know one person who was doing fraud or didn't need assistance and somehow they assume -all- people on assistance are the same way. If that's not an insane conclusion I don't know what is. Just like men and women who get cheated on, and then they begin to think because they were cheated on all men/women are cheaters. They develop a total DISTRUST of people from there on out. So what has happened with assistance?

Abuse and fraud has DESTROYED the integrity of the system.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:23 AM
 
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Millions are not on welfare as GOP would like you to beleive. Only 1% of the country are on gov programs. If they do try to commit fraud, they aren't getting rich from it. How is this different for big corporations getting hefty tax breaks and bail outs? What about the rich kids carousing all day not contributing to society? Maybe they need to take a drug test before they inherit millions. If it's fair for welfare recipients it's fair for them. I also notice much of the welfare stigma is geared toward women. Maybe if the absent father was forced to pay child support , less of the programs would be needed. It isn't a one-way street. and I am about tired of the stigma when millions go to poor in other countries and billions spent on wars. So living off someone else's money is ok as long as it's not government? If you got rid of welfare, then the child tax credits and exemptions some of you get would have to go too.
Hopefully you realize that BOTH are wrong and 1 is not an excuse for the other. The topic here isn't corporations that should and/or won't be responsible.

In regards to the deadbeat dads, sure I agree go after them. But in reality it is the women who are also to blame for making very stupid life decisions, THEY made the mistake of procreating with these losers.

How is it fair to everyone else that they be expected to pay for poor decisons for these clueless people. If I gamble away my money at the casino it is my own fault.

Alot of these clueless women CHOOSE to have kids with these losers, They literally made their own beds and now have to lie in it.

REALITY CHECK : Loser men that have kids by others they don't support are more than likely not going to support ones they have with their new current and very STUPID women. Shouldnt that be obvious.

Before any Left wing feminists get their panties in a bunch and cry foul. they need to realize that their are millions of successful and intelligent women that have made far better decisions and choices in their lives so this definitely isn't a bash women post, it is about thse that have made sensible decisions in their lives.

Inregards to deadbeat Dads go ahead and seize all their assets and try and force them to pay, if not these losers could starve to death for all I care.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:31 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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......100% of right wingers don't believe 100% of those on welfare are cheats. Its the ones that are cheating the system that need to be removed, and figure out ways that it cannot be continually abused. There needs to be reform and personal accountability. There are legitimate reasons to get assistance, and there aren't. If you can't acknowledge that and don't feel it needs to be looked into, I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, the ones scamming the system are a financial burden, but I don't believe it's anywhere near the scope of the problem that, say, GE not paying taxes is. Our priorities should be on tightening tax loopholes for corporations, and secondly for tightening the controls on welfare scamming. Welfare fraud is small potatoes, almost at the level of being a red herring to distract us from the real problems.

Another burden is the military, we don't need to have a massive military industrial complex to defend ourselves from Iraq. Just sayin'.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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......Alot of these clueless women CHOOSE to have kids with these losers, They literally made their own beds and now have to lie in it......
But you can't punish the kids for the sins of the mothers. The kids have to be raised somehow, indoors and with meals, and paying the mother to do it is cheaper than sending the kids to daycare in an attempt to get regular work for the mother.

I agree that it sucks, I like the oldfashioned solution of marriage with the father earning enough to support the entire family, but there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to those times.

If you don't provide welfare, you have the situation of thirdworld countries: the mother will become a beggar and prostitute, and the children will run wild in the streets, themselves used as prostitutes, and learning things that will make them a future burden on society - just as happens in Mumbai and Rio, among so many examples.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Clermont Fl
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But you can't punish the kids for the sins of the mothers. The kids have to be raised somehow, indoors and with meals, and paying the mother to do it is cheaper than sending the kids to daycare in an attempt to get regular work for the mother.

I agree that it sucks, I like the oldfashioned solution of marriage with the father earning enough to support the entire family, but there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to those times.

If you don't provide welfare, you have the situation of thirdworld countries: the mother will become a beggar and prostitute, and the children will run wild in the streets, themselves used as prostitutes, and learning things that will make them a future burden on society - just as happens in Mumbai and Rio, among so many examples.
Then you should help if you feel that way but you do not have the right to volunteer my money.
If liberals choose not to participate then they think no one should partake a normal person does not participate then they just don’t and don't care if you do.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:56 PM
 
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But you can't punish the kids for the sins of the mothers. The kids have to be raised somehow, indoors and with meals, and paying the mother to do it is cheaper than sending the kids to daycare in an attempt to get regular work for the mother.

I agree that it sucks, I like the oldfashioned solution of marriage with the father earning enough to support the entire family, but there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to those times.

If you don't provide welfare, you have the situation of thirdworld countries: the mother will become a beggar and prostitute, and the children will run wild in the streets, themselves used as prostitutes, and learning things that will make them a future burden on society - just as happens in Mumbai and Rio, among so many examples.
No you are wrong those deadbeats should be sterilized ( so they can't bring even more children into a neglectful enviorment)and their children should be raised by others or the Government. That way this stupidity isn't perpetuated forever.

Children raised by losers in a loser enviorment usually end up as losers because that is all they know.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Then you should help if you feel that way but you do not have the right to volunteer my money.
If liberals choose not to participate then they think no one should partake a normal person does not participate then they just don’t and don't care if you do.
Of course the govt has the right to tax you even if you don't like where the money is going to. Same situation as with me having to watch the govt spend huge amounts of money on the military industrial complex. That's the nature of this society, the Constitution allows for taxation which is NEVER agreed upon by everyone.

If you don't like it, work through the political process to elect new leaders.

Fortunately, in this latest round of elections, the decent compassionate people turned out to be the majority and won resoundingly. Maybe some day your people will win, and the US will be filled with even more homeless children kicked to the curb.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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No you are wrong those deadbeats should be sterilized ( so they can't bring even more children into a neglectful enviorment)and their children should be raised by others or the Government. That way this stupidity isn't perpetuated forever.

Children raised by losers in a loser enviorment usually end up as losers because that is all they know.
I'm so glad that most people don't think like you, but all too many do. I'd go along with programs to encourage contraception though.
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Corporations have not "f...k..d" up this country.
You're right. I stand corrected. Let me paraphrase. Corporations have been ALLOWED, ENCOURAGED (AND THEIR WAY HAS BEEN FACILITATED TO - by right wingnuts) to f'k up this country.
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You're right. I stand corrected. Let me paraphrase. Corporations have been ALLOWED, ENCOURAGED (AND THEIR WAY HAS BEEN FACILITATED TO - by right wingnuts) to f'k up this country.
Nope. You got it WRONG once again.

But, thanks for playing.
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