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Old 07-27-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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What would your definition of WELFARE be? Please list all.
What do you think it is?
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Clermont Fl
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Nice try but Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises." The Constitution allows Congress to tax in order to "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states not an individual
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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Does social security count as welfare?
The 1980's called, they want their post back
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Nice try but Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises." The Constitution allows Congress to tax in order to "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states not an individual
Not even a nice try unless you can show just where the use of the collected taxes is limited by anything other than your assumption and explain just how the well being of individuals does not contribute to the 'general welfare' .
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Clermont Fl
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Not even a nice try unless you can show just where the use of the collected taxes is limited by anything other than your assumption and explain just how the well being of individuals does not contribute to the 'general welfare' .
The general welfare phrase does not change the fact that our nation’s government is based on delegated powers, and the Constitution specifically spells out which powers are delegated. The Constitution is clear about the matter: the people of the United States have the right to set their own health care priorities, to pay for what they choose to pay for, to direct the paths of their own lives, and to live with the consequences of the path they take—without interference from the nation’s central government

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Old 07-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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Not even a nice try unless you can show just where the use of the collected taxes is limited by anything other than your assumption and explain just how the well being of individuals does not contribute to the 'general welfare' .
Welfare handouts isn't contributing to the well being of individuals. It's making them fat and too lazy to work. It's harming them.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Welfare handouts isn't contributing to the well being of individuals. It's making them fat and too lazy to work. It's harming them.
You should try and learn the difference between a system and abuses to a system.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:22 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The general welfare phrase does not change the fact that our nation’s government is based on delegated powers, and the Constitution specifically spells out which powers are delegated. The Constitution is clear about the matter: the people of the United States have the right to set their own health care priorities, to pay for what they choose to pay for, to direct the paths of their own lives, and to live with the consequences of the path they take—without interference from the nation’s central government.
You alleged the sole role of the federal government is protection from enemies, foreign and domestic.

I'd say the fact Congress is authorized to establish post offices proves your allegation incorrect. There are many other things that would fall under 'general welfare' that are open to interpretation and are in no way clearly spelled out.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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What do you think it is?
Please list ALL
I asked the OP first and never received an answer, must be fearful of defining it.

I don't think. I know. No, I won't list because there's not enough server space on City-Data.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Having a genuine need has nothing to do with my question. I have no responsibly to help you out in any way other then a moral obligation but thats up to me to give not for you to use your vote to take. You still have no right to take from me because you need it thats called steeling.
Are you assuming she hasn't paid into the system from which she receives? In her younger years she was a professional live-in nanny. One of her previous employers was former US Congressman Chris John of Louisiana. They gave us a lovely wedding gift. Prior to her leaving the work force, she worked at a hospital putting together the surgical carts and sterilizing medical equipment. Part of the reason for her current condition is her first doctor who did two surgeries. She cannot go to him since he's long since passed away.
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