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Old 02-19-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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Think back to election day 2011. This was a statewide ballot initiative in Mississippi that, if passed, would have legally declared that life begins at conception. The supporters of the amendment hoped that it would have restricted abortion laws in Mississippi and the rest of the US.

The supporters thought they had a slam dunk, running the referendum in an off year election in a very religiously conservative state where the large majority of residents are pro life. The polls leading up to election day predicted a win for the amendment. Instead, it failed by 16 points (58% against 42% in favor).

Did the amendment fail because a lot of pro lifers tend to be all talk? It seems to me that they talk a big game about restricting abortion but when they're faced with a law that actually poses a threat to their own reproductive rights, they have a change of heart.

Here is an analysis
Why the Mississippi personhood amendment self-imploded - Georgetown/On Faith - The Washington Post

Polls show that Americans are split on the abortion debate, but it seems that when abortion becomes a personal issue, the vast majority of Americans support the right to choose.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Since you answered your own question, why did you ask?
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Maybe the pro-abortion people would support a "3/5 compromise".
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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For the same reason why a petition proposed to bring about an initiative in Oklahoma to vote for personhood was rejected. The state supreme court judged it to be unconstitutional. Mississippi voters wisely saw passing personhood would require them to blow tax money to legally defend a losing, unconstitutional cause.

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Old 02-19-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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Since you answered your own question, why did you ask?
That was simply my opinion. Ever heard of a discussion? What about your opinion?
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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RealClearPolitics - Learning Lessons of Mississippi's Personhood Amendment

Here's another analysis from RCP
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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For the same reason why a petition proposed to bring about an initiative in Oklahoma to vote for personhood was rejected. The state supreme court judged it to be unconstitutional.
On what grounds did the Oklahoma state Supreme Court rule the initiative unconstitutional?
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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It failed because even the knuckle dragers in Ol Miss know they don't want their birth control taken away and they would also look like they were more backward then they even look now. It would make it a crime of murder to use and IUD. LOL
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:54 PM
 
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I suppose that people realized that bestowing "personhood" would potentially create tremendous problems affecting just about every aspect of our laws. In essence, it would open the flood gates and produce complete chaos:

Is it child abuse if you smoke while pregnant (even if you didn't know you were pregnant)?
Is it child abuse if you drink while pregnant (even if you didn't know you were pregnant)?
Is it child endangerment if you are pregnant but drive recklessly?
Is it child endangerment if you eat unhealthy foods while being pregnant?
Is it kidnapping when a pregnant woman leaves her partner without his consent?
Can you claim your fetus as a dependent?
What happens to these charges/legalities if the pregnancy fails?
Will a miscarriage have to be investigated as possible murder?
Will a miscarriage have to be investigated to see if there was foul play?
Will hospitals/doctors be convicted of manslaughter if something goes wrong during delivery/birth?
Can government/the state obtain legal guardianship if the mother is seen as unfit?
How will that be done?
If the government/state finds a pregnant woman to behave in ways that are dangerous to the fetus but fails to incarcerate such a mother and/or fails to force her to behave appropriately, is the government/state than guilty of complicity?
Can prospective parents bring forth lawsuits on behalf of their unborn fetus?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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This is the kind of stupid crap you get when people want to base life on a stupid book called the bible.
Well, I don't think it's a stupid book. It's done a pretty good job as a blueprint for many of our Western laws and values. Naturally, it needs to be relegated to the back burner in a society that is heterogenous.
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