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Old 02-22-2013, 08:36 PM
 
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Hospitals are still privately run after the passage of Obamacare.
They are mostly run on monies from the Gov!
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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This has been fact-checked to death yet the right-wingers keep on with it:

Fact Check: Obamacare


Fact: you can never trust Republicans to safeguard Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security - the GOP was never a fan of these programs and their sole purpose is to slowly rid of them. These are all programs introduced by Democrats and the Democrats will ensure them.


FACT CHECK?

"As for the cuts, they come from eliminating a massive subsidy to private insurers and gradually reducing the rate of growth in payments to some providers. These changes, while not catastrophic for Medicare, are important. Under the ACA, the federal government will substantially reduce the amount it spends funding Medicare Advantage, which is privately administered insurance offered to Medicare beneficiaries."

Read more: Fact Check: Obamacare


Thanks for "fact checking" that for us!

If it wasn't for people like Kate Pickert interpreting all those confusing facts, people might mistakenly believe Medicare is being "cut" or "reduced" at a time when millions are retiring and beginning to collect the benefits they have been forced to pay for during their working years.

The only part of Medicare the Democrats are insuring will be around are the Medicare taxes that are being diverted to other liberal boondoggles while Medicare is starved for funds.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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i think some have missed what has already occurred. 500 billion over ten years cut from medicare was cut in wrttign ans croig the new healthcare bill. Its been trnfeered to provide subsidy for pre-existg conditons coverage already. Obam is now sayig he will consider more cuts to medicare for the deficit fro reprots. But at same time republicans want reform because they know that medicare trustees say cuts coming i 2013 will mean medciare payments to providers will bring it to unsuistainable 30% of private insurance. Democrats thn like last time they can get funding restored as cuts start to effect people. Kind of a make no real cuts while using it to score the healthcare law and hope pulbic will demand more spending o it which drives upo deficit.Deficit reductions is the politcal enemy of Democrats wantig mroe spending not less.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:47 PM
 
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Dont know if this was posted or not. But we who are not sheeple knew this would happen sadly the elderly will now suffer for this and I find that extremely disturbing.

In an announcement on Friday, however, the Obama administration revealed that it would be significantly reducing funding for Medicare, a move that one health insurance analyst said “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

Health insurance stocks tumbled following the announcement that a big chunk of the Medicare cuts would come from the popular Medicare Advantage program, a market-oriented system in which participants can choose coverage by a private company that contracts with Medicare to provide all Part A and Part B benefits.

With Election Over, Obama Announces Medicare Cuts to Fund ObamaCare

How exactly will the elderly suffer?
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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How exactly will the elderly suffer?
For starters.......


This is no small matter. Seniors losing $3,700 per year from enrollment in Medicare at 65 until their deaths at age 77 or 78 would lose about $44,000 in benefits over their lifetimes, all because of Obamacare’s cuts. That dwarfs the supposed benefits that Fidelity’s analysis assigns to Obamacare’s closing of the donut hole (the Medicare Part D coverage gap).
The aggregate numbers tell the story too.
According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Obamacare’s closing of the donut hole will increase Medicare spending by about $25 billion over ten years.
But at the same time, Obamacare’s cut in payments to Medicare Advantage plans will reduce spending by $137 billion over ten years.
So the cut exceeds the new spending on the drug benefit by more than $100 billion.
Who will bear the burden of those cuts?
Seniors will.
according to CBO). Among the many changes are deep cuts in what Medicare pays hospitals and other providers of care — so deep that Medicare’s rates would plummet below the levels provided by Medicaid by the end of the decade. Who will bear the burden of those cuts?

Obamacare Hurts Seniors - James C. Capretta - National Review Online
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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Medicare should just be cut completely along with Social Security.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:11 PM
 
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For starters.......


This is no small matter. Seniors losing $3,700 per year from enrollment in Medicare at 65 until their deaths at age 77 or 78 would lose about $44,000 in benefits over their lifetimes, all because of Obamacare’s cuts. That dwarfs the supposed benefits that Fidelity’s analysis assigns to Obamacare’s closing of the donut hole (the Medicare Part D coverage gap).
The aggregate numbers tell the story too.
According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Obamacare’s closing of the donut hole will increase Medicare spending by about $25 billion over ten years.
But at the same time, Obamacare’s cut in payments to Medicare Advantage plans will reduce spending by $137 billion over ten years.
So the cut exceeds the new spending on the drug benefit by more than $100 billion.
Who will bear the burden of those cuts?
Seniors will.
according to CBO). Among the many changes are deep cuts in what Medicare pays hospitals and other providers of care — so deep that Medicare’s rates would plummet below the levels provided by Medicaid by the end of the decade. Who will bear the burden of those cuts?

Obamacare Hurts Seniors - James C. Capretta - National Review Online

But didn't Republicans want cuts in Medicare?
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:11 PM
 
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Actually that was their lie then and this is the truth now!


A big chunk of those Medicare cuts came from the market-oriented Medicare Advantage program. Cleverly, the Obama administration postponed the Medicare Advantage cuts until after the election, so as to persuade seniors that everything would be just fine.
But the election is over.
On Friday, the administration announced that it would be significantly reducing funding for the popular program. Obama’s proposal, according to one analyst, “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.

MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PENETRATION BY STATE 2012 MAP....


AND........
The new rates proposed by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a.k.a. CMS, will have the net effect of reducing payments to Medicare Advantage plans by 7 to 8 percent in 2014, according to Citi managed care analyst Carl McDonald.
Here Comes The Boom: CMS Slashes Medicare Advantage; 'Disarray For Many Seniors' - Forbes
The seniors voted less for him than any other age group. I think that group tends to be more racist and judgmental of Obama whereas they would give a white guy a "pass." Elections have consequences.
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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But didn't Republicans want cuts in Medicare?
Actually it was deflection from the liberals so they would not have to talk about obamas cutting medicare to the tune of 700 billion or so and this is to help pay for Obamacare
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Actually it was deflection from the liberals so they would not have to talk about obamas cutting medicare to the tune of 700 billion or so and this is to help pay for Obamacare

Excuses, lies, and deflection, all the same you know. Obama's whole presidency is one big fat deflection.
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