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Old 02-21-2013, 11:35 PM
 
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Dont know if this was posted or not. But we who are not sheeple knew this would happen sadly the elderly will now suffer for this and I find that extremely disturbing.

In an announcement on Friday, however, the Obama administration revealed that it would be significantly reducing funding for Medicare, a move that one health insurance analyst said “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

Health insurance stocks tumbled following the announcement that a big chunk of the Medicare cuts would come from the popular Medicare Advantage program, a market-oriented system in which participants can choose coverage by a private company that contracts with Medicare to provide all Part A and Part B benefits.

With Election Over, Obama Announces Medicare Cuts to Fund ObamaCare
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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This has been fact-checked to death yet the right-wingers keep on with it:

Fact Check: Obamacare


Fact: you can never trust Republicans to safeguard Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security - the GOP was never a fan of these programs and their sole purpose is to slowly rid of them. These are all programs introduced by Democrats and the Democrats will ensure them.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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This has been fact-checked to death yet the right-wingers keep on with it:

Fact Check: Obamacare


Fact: you can never trust Republicans to safeguard Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security - the GOP was never a fan of these programs and their sole purpose is to slowly rid of them. These are all programs introduced by Democrats and the Democrats will ensure them.
Because those programs are running bankrupt!
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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It hasn't really been talked about recently, but it used to be said by both conservatives and liberals that the whole Obamacare wasn't really designed to work well in the first place. The idea was to get a socialized medicine foot in the door and collapse the healthcare market, then replace it with a single payer system. Slashing existing healthcare programs, forcing companies to pay for pre-existing conditions, causing healthcare costs to rise, etc was all predicted from the start. The idea was to leave the entire system in such a mess that government would be forced to come in and nationalize it to save the day. I saw both liberals and conservatives say this quite a bit a couple years ago when the whole Obamacare debate was raging.

It's standard operating procedure for Obama. He's doing the same thing right now with sequestration. A year ago he says it is necessary and threatens to veto any effort of Congress to get around it. Now he's doing the exact opposite - saying it is terrible and blasting Republicans for not getting around it.

Obama took the largest donations from banks of any politician in history. His administration bailed out the banks. He then went on TV and made speeches about how evil banks were and that he was fighting for the middle class.

Obama promised the Catholic bishops privately that he would never force them to go against their principles, then mandated they provide contraception against their religious principles once they had already given their support for his policies and it was too late to take it back. When they complained, he went ahead and became the champion against their war on women. The war that would not have existed if he hadn't started it with false promises.

He does this all the time. Purposely creates a mess, but does it in such a way that he will come out looking like a hero.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:08 AM
 
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This has been fact-checked to death yet the right-wingers keep on with it:

Fact Check: Obamacare


Fact: you can never trust Republicans to safeguard Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security - the GOP was never a fan of these programs and their sole purpose is to slowly rid of them. These are all programs introduced by Democrats and the Democrats will ensure them.
Actually that was their lie then and this is the truth now!


A big chunk of those Medicare cuts came from the market-oriented Medicare Advantage program. Cleverly, the Obama administration postponed the Medicare Advantage cuts until after the election, so as to persuade seniors that everything would be just fine.
But the election is over.
On Friday, the administration announced that it would be significantly reducing funding for the popular program. Obama’s proposal, according to one analyst, “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.

MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PENETRATION BY STATE 2012 MAP....


AND........
The new rates proposed by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a.k.a. CMS, will have the net effect of reducing payments to Medicare Advantage plans by 7 to 8 percent in 2014, according to Citi managed care analyst Carl McDonald.
Here Comes The Boom: CMS Slashes Medicare Advantage; 'Disarray For Many Seniors' - Forbes
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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It hasn't really been talked about recently, but it used to be said by both conservatives and liberals that the whole Obamacare wasn't really designed to work well in the first place. The idea was to get a socialized medicine foot in the door and collapse the healthcare market, then replace it with a single payer system. Slashing existing healthcare programs, forcing companies to pay for pre-existing conditions, causing healthcare costs to rise, etc was all predicted from the start. The idea was to leave the entire system in such a mess that government would be forced to come in and nationalize it to save the day. I saw both liberals and conservatives say this quite a bit a couple years ago when the whole Obamacare debate was raging.

It's standard operating procedure for Obama. He's doing the same thing right now with sequestration. A year ago he says it is necessary and threatens to veto any effort of Congress to get around it. Now he's doing the exact opposite - saying it is terrible and blasting Republicans for not getting around it.

Obama took the largest donations from banks of any politician in history. His administration bailed out the banks. He then went on TV and made speeches about how evil banks were and that he was fighting for the middle class.

Obama promised the Catholic bishops privately that he would never force them to go against their principles, then mandated they provide contraception against their religious principles once they had already given their support for his policies and it was too late to take it back. When they complained, he went ahead and became the champion against their war on women. The war that would not have existed if he hadn't started it with false promises.

He does this all the time. Purposely creates a mess, but does it in such a way that he will come out looking like a hero.
You cannot go by anything that he says. He tells them what they want to hear then does what he wants.

He is the most pathetic president to date.
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:29 AM
 
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This has been fact-checked to death yet the right-wingers keep on with it:

Fact Check: Obamacare


Fact: you can never trust Republicans to safeguard Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security - the GOP was never a fan of these programs and their sole purpose is to slowly rid of them. These are all programs introduced by Democrats and the Democrats will ensure them.
Until this change, Democrats would never allow any cut, modification, nothing to Medicare. Now, under Obama, this is a "good thing"?

Republicans warned about starting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security years ago because they recognized it was an unaffordable idea that eventually would bankrupt the nation.

They were correct.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:03 AM
 
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Actually that was their lie then and this is the truth now!
Ha! It was a lie then, but it's magically the truth because some one waved their little wand and said so.

There's some real delusional thinking if I ever saw it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Dont know if this was posted or not. But we who are not sheeple knew this would happen sadly the elderly will now suffer for this and I find that extremely disturbing.

In an announcement on Friday, however, the Obama administration revealed that it would be significantly reducing funding for Medicare, a move that one health insurance analyst said “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

Health insurance stocks tumbled following the announcement that a big chunk of the Medicare cuts would come from the popular Medicare Advantage program, a market-oriented system in which participants can choose coverage by a private company that contracts with Medicare to provide all Part A and Part B benefits.

With Election Over, Obama Announces Medicare Cuts to Fund ObamaCare

Obama does not have the authority or ability to spend on NOT spend one dime of Federal money. The Congress appropriates all funding and THEY are the sole arbiters of where it is spent. I don't recall any laws being passed that changed the funding formulas for existing programs.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:57 AM
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Dont know if this was posted or not. But we who are not sheeple knew this would happen sadly the elderly will now suffer for this and I find that extremely disturbing.

In an announcement on Friday, however, the Obama administration revealed that it would be significantly reducing funding for Medicare, a move that one health insurance analyst said “would turn almost every plan in the industry unprofitable.”

Health insurance stocks tumbled following the announcement that a big chunk of the Medicare cuts would come from the popular Medicare Advantage program, a market-oriented system in which participants can choose coverage by a private company that contracts with Medicare to provide all Part A and Part B benefits.

With Election Over, Obama Announces Medicare Cuts to Fund ObamaCare
So we should increase spending on Medicare, which is one of the largest driver of government debt?
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