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It's weird how a small group of people see Obama as a tyrant out to destroy the USA and then everyone else sees a guy with a young family who entered office with many challenges and is doing his best to try and fix those problems.
You are talking about the shallow thinking of most Americans.. no one really wants to see the worst.. they want it all to be wonderful and how could a president want to destroy America?
We have people surrounding Obama that gives us the reason why we know who and what Obama is up to.. his radical ways are from what he has gravitated to in his life, the people he gets to advise him and his own words and actions .. If people looked closer they would see what many do. Obama is not a man who loves this country and his words and actions do not help Americans.. his words say one thing and he lies constantly. Those who are deceived are living the lie that Obama is a good president. He is not and his sick ideology will bring this country down.
Bottomline, Obama has proven somewhat feckless. Either that, or the GOP has proven reckless. Probably a bit of both. If he were truly a dangerous marxist revolutionary, he is a damn poor one. Lay off the conspiracy websites.
"Conspiracy Websites?" Like ... ??? Is anything that is read about Obama's life and education, his past associations, etc., to be relegated as from a "conspiracy Website?" At least if it does not reflect favorably on the man. Right?
His membership in a Marxist revolutionary club has been chronicled by an associate and former friend, the one who founded the club, John Drew:
My first meeting with young Barack Obama raised strong feelings and left me with a positive first impression. At the time, I felt I'd persuaded a young man anticipating a Marxist-Leninist revolution to appreciate the more practical alternative of conventional politics as a channel for his socialist views.
I met Obama in December of 1980, a couple of days after Christmas, in Portola Valley -- a small town near Stanford
University in Palo Alto, CA. I was a 23 year old second-year graduate student in Cornell's Government Department, and had flown to California to visit a 21 year old girlfriend, Caroline Boss. Boss was a senior at Occidental College, where she had taken a class in the fall of 1980 with political theorist Roger Boesche. She met and befriended Obama in that class.
I had been an angry Marxist revolutionary during my undergraduate career at Occidental College. During my hyperactive sophomore year, in the fall of 1976, I founded the Marxist-Socialist group on campus and named it the Political Awareness Fellowship. As I recall, I developed this innocuous sounding name because there were so few students on campus as radical as I, and I was fearful of turning off moderate students who might be willing to learn more about Marxist theory.[snip]
By the time I returned to Occidental in the fall of 1978 for my senior year, the Political Awareness Fellowship had morphed into something much bigger, an organization with strong leadership, its own office space and a new name.[snip]
Under Chapman's leadership, the group had changed its name to the Democratic Socialist Alliance (DSA). As I
recall, he told me "the old name wasn't letting people know what we stood for." I agreed. The DSA met weekly and
brought in speakers about once a month. Events were advertised by big signs in the campus quad. During my time at Occidental, the group searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people in preparation for the coming revolution.[snip]
When I first saw Obama, I remember I was standing on the porch of Boss's parents' impressive home as a sleek, expensive luxury car pulled up the driveway. Two young men emerged from the vehicle. They were well-dressed and looked like they were born to wealth and privilege. I was a little surprised to learn they were Boss's friends from Occidental College until she articulated the underlying political connection. "They're on our side," she said.
The funny thing about these threads is that they seem to love to portray they know what Obama REALLY thinks. When we have his record to see for ourselves how he governs.
"How he governs" does not tell us who he is or how he thinks.
You cannot understand how he thinks by "how he governs" if you do not understand first who he is; and, "how he governs," being understood from who he is, shows us where he is leading us, and it is not to more freedom, but to less, and it is not to a free market, capitalist system, which has been responsible for our standard of living being the highest in the history of civilized society, but to socialism, and decline.
Obama's view of America is not shared by Americans. His view of America is as an anti-capitalist, neo-communist (Marxist/socialist/communist). His mother was a communist, and he was mentored by communist Frank Marshall Davis as a youth. These are the facts of his life. We cannot separate him from them.
Why has he surrounded himself with so many Maoists, communists and socialists in his administration?
Why is it that anyone thinks it is unimportant to know who the man is in his heart?
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Originally Posted by Fiddlehead
In the case of Bush, I really don't give a damn what he REALLY thought. He was so manifestly inept and corrupt that it really made no difference. Some Presidents are competent and others are not, and that is what we should be discussing, not crazy talk. Despite the OP's title, this thread and line of thinking is complete nonsense.
Bush was neither "inept" nor corrupt. He was not perfect. No one is.
Obama is either manifestly incompetent, or he is exactly who his life story tells us he is, a revolutionary Marxist/socialist. He governs based on who he is, and realizing who he is is the only way we can understand why he governs as he does.
We had plenty of warnings. There were red flags, sent up by Obama himself. Most chose to ignore them. They were written off as simply political rhetoric.
Of course, that came later. We had heard other things before that. Such as this:
This sent shivers up my spine. But few people were doing the vetting of this man, of which we knew little. Certainly the MSM never bothered. Chris Matthews didn't get a shiver up his spine, but he got a tingle up his leg (or was it a thrill — I've forgotten).
This article makes plain the path we are on, and what the Obama agenda is. Most of the Left will not acknowledge the truth, or they are simply blindly following a man whom they think "speaks well" and has all the answers, but they have no idea who he is and where he is leading us.
America needs fundamental transformation. We needed regime change, we got it. Now we need a fundamental transformation, and we're not going to get it. But at least we are getting some much needed change.
A right wing friend of mine was terrified of Obama's 2008 win, convinced he would destroy America. I told him write down what he specifically feared Obama would do.
Four years later, I can still criticize the government without retaliation; my (and everyone else's) taxes haven't skyrocketed; Obama hasn't socialized private industry, etc. Essentially, nothing feared by the right has materialized and now they rehash the same nonsense.
Having a president that wants higher gas prices will do this country in... we are at the brink of destruction if you look closer to what the financial crisis has done and will do in the future. It is a house of cards.
Food prices will continue to rise, gas prices and the cost of living.. morals will be a thing of the past and raunch will dictate.. the oscars last night was raunch.. no family could sit and watch it.. no more class left on tv.. they get dressed up and spoon out disgusting garbage for Americans to feed on..
I learned long ago not to eat the garbage of the world because it has become a pigpen.
Obama is anti-God and has no standards.. his godless society will have one god, Obama.
"Conspiracy Websites?" Like ... ??? Is anything that is read about Obama's life and education, his past associations, etc., to be relegated as from a "conspiracy Website?" At least if it does not reflect favorably on the man. Right?
His membership in a Marxist revolutionary club has been chronicled by an associate and former friend, the one who founded the club, John Drew:
My first meeting with young Barack Obama raised strong feelings and left me with a positive first impression. At the time, I felt I'd persuaded a young man anticipating a Marxist-Leninist revolution to appreciate the more practical alternative of conventional politics as a channel for his socialist views.
I met Obama in December of 1980, a couple of days after Christmas, in Portola Valley -- a small town near Stanford
University in Palo Alto, CA. I was a 23 year old second-year graduate student in Cornell's Government Department, and had flown to California to visit a 21 year old girlfriend, Caroline Boss. Boss was a senior at Occidental College, where she had taken a class in the fall of 1980 with political theorist Roger Boesche. She met and befriended Obama in that class.
I had been an angry Marxist revolutionary during my undergraduate career at Occidental College. During my hyperactive sophomore year, in the fall of 1976, I founded the Marxist-Socialist group on campus and named it the Political Awareness Fellowship. As I recall, I developed this innocuous sounding name because there were so few students on campus as radical as I, and I was fearful of turning off moderate students who might be willing to learn more about Marxist theory.[snip]
By the time I returned to Occidental in the fall of 1978 for my senior year, the Political Awareness Fellowship had morphed into something much bigger, an organization with strong leadership, its own office space and a new name.[snip]
Under Chapman's leadership, the group had changed its name to the Democratic Socialist Alliance (DSA). As I
recall, he told me "the old name wasn't letting people know what we stood for." I agreed. The DSA met weekly and
brought in speakers about once a month. Events were advertised by big signs in the campus quad. During my time at Occidental, the group searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people in preparation for the coming revolution.[snip]
When I first saw Obama, I remember I was standing on the porch of Boss's parents' impressive home as a sleek, expensive luxury car pulled up the driveway. Two young men emerged from the vehicle. They were well-dressed and looked like they were born to wealth and privilege. I was a little surprised to learn they were Boss's friends from Occidental College until she articulated the underlying political connection. "They're on our side," she said.
"How he governs" does not tell us who he is or how he thinks.
You cannot understand how he thinks by "how he governs" if you do not understand first who he is; and, "how he governs," being understood from who he is, shows us where he is leading us, and it is not to more freedom, but to less, and it is not to a free market, capitalist system, which has been responsible for our standard of living being the highest in the history of civilized society, but to socialism, and decline.
Obama's view of America is not shared by Americans. His view of America is as an anti-capitalist, neo-communist (Marxist/socialist/communist). His mother was a communist, and he was mentored by communist Frank Marshall Davis as a youth. These are the facts of his life. We cannot separate him from them.
Why has he surrounded himself with so many Maoists, communists and socialists in his administration?
Why is it that anyone thinks it is unimportant to know who the man is in his heart?
Bush was neither "inept" nor corrupt. He was not perfect. No one is.
Obama is either manifestly incompetent, or he is exactly who his life story tells us he is, a revolutionary Marxist/socialist. He governs based on who he is, and realizing who he is is the only way we can understand why he governs as he does.
In that lengthy snippet of the article the connection to Obama appears to be "I was a little surprised to learn they were Boss's friends from Occidental College until she articulated the underlying political connection. "They're on our side," she said."
I guess that proves that Obama is a dedicated Marxist intent on the destruction of America. Like I wrote earlier the case against Obama is very weak.
In that lengthy snippet of the article the connection to Obama appears to be "I was a little surprised to learn they were Boss's friends from Occidental College until she articulated the underlying political connection. "They're on our side," she said."
I guess that proves that Obama is a dedicated Marxist intent on the destruction of America. Like I wrote earlier the case against Obama is very weak.
Take that, and what he's said and done since, and it all adds up.
Only those who want to be fooled will fall for this. It's very clear where his sentiments lie.
Take that, and what he's said and done since, and it all adds up.
Only those who want to be fooled will fall for this. It's very clear where his sentiments lie.
If its so clear then why does it appear so hard for Obama's opponents to come up with a coherent case against Obama. Why do they rely on quotes like we saw in the original OP.
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Of course, that came later. We had heard other things before that. Such as this:
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As radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least, as it's been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the States can't do to you; says what the Federal Government can't do to you, but doesn't state what the Federal government or State Government must do on your behalf. (Barack Obama, June 18, 2001).
Obama's accurate depiction of U.S Constitution is suppose to indicate what?
Perhaps its why he was hired to teach classes on constitutional law at the University of Chicago.
It certainly doesn't prove that he is or was a Marxist or that he is out to destroy the U.S. Constitution.
No. He's good for America independently of "that." All "that" does is demonstrate that the OP is cretinous nonsense.
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Originally Posted by southward bound
How about measuring him by the standards set forth in the Constitution?
I do. Other than considering him only three-fifth of a person, that is.
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