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Old 02-23-2013, 04:27 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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We had plenty of warnings. There were red flags, sent up by Obama himself. Most chose to ignore them. They were written off as simply political rhetoric.
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"We are 5 days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America" (October 30, 2008)
Of course, that came later. We had heard other things before that. Such as this:
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As radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least, as it's been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the States can't do to you; says what the Federal Government can't do to you, but doesn't state what the Federal government or State Government must do on your behalf. (Barack Obama, June 18, 2001).
This sent shivers up my spine. But few people were doing the vetting of this man, of which we knew little. Certainly the MSM never bothered. Chris Matthews didn't get a shiver up his spine, but he got a tingle up his leg (or was it a thrill — I've forgotten).
Here is writer that lays out the case against Obama plainly:
Articles: Obama's Dystopia
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Just how does one "fundamentally" transform a nation whose very basis for existence is freedom itself? The only feasible answer is to transform that already-free nation into a nation with fewer freedoms.
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As a means of bringing about this transformation, America could no longer be a free nation. Nowhere as free, at least, as it was at the time when he assumed his presidency. Liberties would need to be forsaken to bring about his vision of utopia. The free market system would need to be reined in, and done so in no small measure.
This article makes plain the path we are on, and what the Obama agenda is. Most of the Left will not acknowledge the truth, or they are simply blindly following a man whom they think "speaks well" and has all the answers, but they have no idea who he is and where he is leading us.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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Hobbes maintained that men readily trade their liberty for security. See Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan (1651). And, considering the Patriot Act of 2001 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, one can see that Hobbes was right.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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Most who are actually on the left think Obama is too moderate.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Obama is, by international standards, a center right politician.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in the Southwest...
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The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions ~ John Locke 1690

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience
~ John Locke 1690

Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom ~ Patrick Henry

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin

Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it ~ John Adams

Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company...Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism
~ George Washington

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth ~ George Washington

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants ~ Thomas Jefferson

Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms ~ James Madison

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined
~ Patrick Henry

If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen ~ Samuel Adams

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Old 02-23-2013, 08:07 AM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 4 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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We had plenty of warnings. There were red flags, sent up by Obama himself. Most chose to ignore them. They were written off as simply political rhetoric.

Of course, that came later. We had heard other things before that. Such as this:

This sent shivers up my spine. But few people were doing the vetting of this man, of which we knew little. Certainly the MSM never bothered. Chris Matthews didn't get a shiver up his spine, but he got a tingle up his leg (or was it a thrill — I've forgotten).
Here is writer that lays out the case against Obama plainly:
Articles: Obama's Dystopia



This article makes plain the path we are on, and what the Obama agenda is. Most of the Left will not acknowledge the truth, or they are simply blindly following a man whom they think "speaks well" and has all the answers, but they have no idea who he is and where he is leading us.
Great post and insight. Barack Hussein Obama has been hiding an agenda to destroy our great nation for a long time, and it's a shame that people on the left did not see that, even moderates. Much of the media will never report it; in fact, they are purposefully allowing it to happen. It seems people just want a black president in place for the sake of change, but they have immense trouble looking for baggage and red flags in regards to that person. So some people are only looking at race without checking the facts. Ignorance was what got Obama re-elected, and ignorance is what will cause America to fall.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Great post and insight. Barack Hussein Obama has been hiding an agenda to destroy our great nation for a long time, and it's a shame that people on the left did not see that, even moderates. Much of the media will never report it; in fact, they are purposefully allowing it to happen. It seems people just want a black president in place for the sake of change, but they have immense trouble looking for baggage and red flags in regards to that person. So some people are only looking at race without checking the facts. Ignorance was what got Obama re-elected, and ignorance is what will cause America to fall.
It's weird how a small group of people see Obama as a tyrant out to destroy the USA and then everyone else sees a guy with a young family who entered office with many challenges and is doing his best to try and fix those problems.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Obama's failures & deceptions are regularly ignored by a mainstream media that is complicit in his agenda. I just think most are not paying enough attention.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Uh-oh, sounds like another conservative just got done watching that bit of RWNJ porn, "2016, Obama's America", aka "the secret plan by that uppity Kenyan for converting the U.S. into a 3rd World economy, in order to level the playing field for 'non-white' folks'')!

BTW, speaking of conspiracies, funny how the price of aluminum foil suddenly shot up as soon as that movie came out!

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Old 02-23-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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We had plenty of warnings. There were red flags, sent up by Obama himself. Most chose to ignore them. They were written off as simply political rhetoric.
Of course, that came later. We had heard other things before that. Such as this:
This sent shivers up my spine. But few people were doing the vetting of this man, of which we knew little. Certainly the MSM never bothered. Chris Matthews didn't get a shiver up his spine, but he got a tingle up his leg (or was it a thrill — I've forgotten).
Here is writer that lays out the case against Obama plainly:
Articles: Obama's Dystopia



This article makes plain the path we are on, and what the Obama agenda is. Most of the Left will not acknowledge the truth, or they are simply blindly following a man whom they think "speaks well" and has all the answers, but they have no idea who he is and where he is leading us.
Here`s an article written by an Obama hater and it sends a tingle up your leg.Different day,but the same drivel that we`ve been seeing for 5 years. Yawn!
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