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Quantify your comment. Just making generalized claims here and there is worthless when you discuss with me. Back it up, or... well remain quiet. /shrug
Sorry, but I've heard countless times the "if the citizens are armed, the government fears them" mantra: as a European who has lived in the South I can't tell you that southerners enjoy LESS freedom (and a worse QOL) than europeans...
I also think that - when it comes to civil rights - such places are seriously behind other western countries, as well as other USA states.
That's why I dislike statements such as
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TIf you can not trust an individual or group of individuals to have a firearm, then how can you trust an individual or group of individuals with the power of government? (hint: You can't), so... as long as there are people who are given authority over others, there shall always remain the authority of the individual to keep them "honest".
You go out and find me a society where there is no crime, no abuse of power, and justice is always met properly, and I will hand you my weapon. Until then, my weapon will insure you do the former. Got it?
Here is a little quote for you to ponder on:
“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson
Having lived in a heavily armed state, I think that guns aren't exactly effective.
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Sorry, but I've heard countless times the "if the citizens are armed, the government fears them" mantra: as a European who has lived in the South I can't tell you that southerners enjoy LESS freedom (and a worse QOL) than europeans...
I also think that - when it comes to civil rights - such places are seriously behind other western countries, as well as other USA states.
That's why I dislike statements such as
I would not consider Switzerland to be an "armpit of the world". It is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. I have also heard that most of the rest of Europe is officially disarmed but a whole lot of folks did not turn in the weapons left over from centuries of warfare.
I have carried a gun, with a permit, when I thought it necessary. Given the situation I would have carried one even if I did not have a permit. I value my life more than the rules. Always have, always will.
As far as the remarks about muskets are concerned, I have handled a 300 year old short barreled shotgun with about a one inch bore. That thing is a devastating close range, like inside a house, weapon as ever has been built.
I would not consider Switzerland to be an "armpit of the world". It is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world. I have also heard that most of the rest of Europe is officially disarmed but a whole lot of folks did not turn in the weapons left over from centuries of warfare.
Was I talking about Switzerland?
I was talking about american states.
Also, tell me: when and where the rest of Europe get officially disarmed?
Tell me, 'cause I'm really curious.
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Why do you disagree?
My original question.....
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Can anyone honestly explain how banning responsible law abiding people from purchasing semi-auto firearms, (misnamed as assault weapons), and high capacity magazines is going to stop criminals and the mentally ill from misusing firearms?
No emotional responses; statistics / facts only please.
I have no problem with you expressing your opinions, (I also believe in the First Amendment), I did not ask for opinions or emotion. I asked for facts.
I was asking if your response was emotional or fact.
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Was I talking about Switzerland?
I was talking about american states.
Also, tell me: when and where the rest of Europe get officially disarmed?
Tell me, 'cause I'm really curious.
I have no problem with you expressing your opinions, (I also believe in the First Amendment), I did not ask for opinions or emotion. I asked for facts.
I was asking if your response was emotional of fact.
Er, I gave you the example of Australia, but - according to you - it wasn't relevant... probably because your question was just a rhetorical question Rhetorical question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
... unfortunately I didn't immediately get it
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