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Old 03-02-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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That is not the case in Canada. Although you could I guess go to another country and pay for healthcare. There is no system for paying doctors out -of -your pocket for essential services. For non-essential services, like having moles removed you would pay out-of-pocket.
Quite a few US hospitals have been marketing to Canadians looking to 'jump the line' for non urgent treatment such as knee replacements. What is shocking is that the prices they are offering are a fraction of the prices they would charge a US citizen.

We are getting ripped off and conservatives seem to be real comfortable with that.
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:59 PM
 
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I'm not claiming to be a moderator but I'm not going to get into these stupid back and forths that are off topic or include personal attacks, that's all I'm saying.

It's not my job to come up with a better system, it's that of our Congresspeople. You also cannot say that, say, the Europeans provide a better system of health care in any form. It's very different, but that does not mean it's better. The cost is probably not less, either, since their taxes are sky high over there. I'm not saying health care is the reason a lot of those countries are failing but obviously they are doing something wrong fiscally. A lot of people wait a very long time to get care, even for emergent issues, and many are allowed to die b/c they are not deemed a worthy expense due to gov't rules about who can have care (sort of like the death panels that are always joked about). That is not the kind of country I want to live in. They have no control over their health care whatsoever.


Where are you getting your info from because you are so misinformed. Very few wait a long time and no one is allowed to die because they are not deemed worthy
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:02 PM
 
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Quite a few US hospitals have been marketing to Canadians looking to 'jump the line' for non urgent treatment such as knee replacements. What is shocking is that the prices they are offering are a fraction of the prices they would charge a US citizen.

We are getting ripped off and conservatives seem to be real comfortable with that.
Do you have a source for that? The Canadians being offered lower prices I mean. I don't believe it.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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Do you have a source for that? The Canadians being offered lower prices I mean. I don't believe it.
I couldn't find the article where I read it but this link references it:

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-sense/

North American Surgery has negotiated deep discounts with about two dozen surgery centers, hospitals and clinics across the United States, mainly for Canadians who are unable to get timely care in their own country. The company’s “cash” price for a knee replacement in the United States is $16,000 to $19,000, depending on the facility a patient chooses. - See more at: http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-se....7oYWwvMI.dpuf
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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That is not the case in Canada. Although you could I guess go to another country and pay for healthcare. There is no system for paying doctors out -of -your pocket for essential services. For non-essential services, like having moles removed you would pay out-of-pocket.
On the contrary, I've had moles, cysts and warts removed at no direct cost to me, but bear in mind that each province runs their own health care system and there are differences.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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I couldn't find the article where I read it but this link references it:

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-sense/

North American Surgery has negotiated deep discounts with about two dozen surgery centers, hospitals and clinics across the United States, mainly for Canadians who are unable to get timely care in their own country. The company’s “cash” price for a knee replacement in the United States is $16,000 to $19,000, depending on the facility a patient chooses. - See more at: http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-se....7oYWwvMI.dpuf

I did go and read the article and here is the full write-up.

"North American Surgery" has negotiated deep discounts with about two dozen surgery centers, hospitals and clinics across the United States, mainly for Canadians who are unable to get timely care in their own country. The company’s “cash” price for a knee replacement in the United States is $16,000 to $19,000, depending on the facility a patient chooses.

But, and this is what is interesting, the same economic principles that apply to the foreign patient who is willing to travel to the U.S. for surgery also apply to any patient who is willing to travel. That includes U.S. citizens. In other words, you don’t have to be a Canadian to take advantage of North American Surgery’s ability to obtain low-cost package prices. Everyone can do it."


- See more at: http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-se....DhbdWfbg.dpuf
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:18 PM
 
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I did go and read the article and here is the full write-up.

"North American Surgery" has negotiated deep discounts with about two dozen surgery centers, hospitals and clinics across the United States, mainly for Canadians who are unable to get timely care in their own country. The company’s “cash” price for a knee replacement in the United States is $16,000 to $19,000, depending on the facility a patient chooses.

But, and this is what is interesting, the same economic principles that apply to the foreign patient who is willing to travel to the U.S. for surgery also apply to any patient who is willing to travel. That includes U.S. citizens. In other words, you don’t have to be a Canadian to take advantage of North American Surgery’s ability to obtain low-cost package prices. Everyone can do it."


- See more at: http://healthblog.ncpa.org/making-se....DhbdWfbg.dpuf
Yes, I read that.

But would your insurance company play ball or does it only apply to cash customers?
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I have read many of Mircea's lectures thank you. Length does not equal right.
Isn't that the truth!
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:19 PM
 
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On the contrary, I've had moles, cysts and warts removed at no direct cost to me, but bear in mind that each province runs their own health care system and there are differences.
In Ontario it depends on the dermatologist you visit. They are free to charge for mole removal unless they think there is reason to think it is cancer. Sometimes just to be nice they will remove a few for free with the spray technique. But if you want it removed with a scalpel and it gives no evidence from a visual inspection that it might be cancerous, they will charge you.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:20 PM
 
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Yes, I read that.

But would your insurance company play ball or does it only apply to cash customers?
From what I can tell, it is a strictly cash option. That is how they can afford to offer it cheaper, I guess. They don't have to go through all the administrative paperwork that adds to the cost when they deal with insurance companies.
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