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Most of your points are valid, some of them are just plain nuts and your interpretation and solution for many of them is nuttier.
Only a liberal would say that my points are "nuts" as they are just common sense. Libs, in general, tend to oppose common sense and logic, thus thier political beliefs. It is like the child's game of "opposite day" or a return to childhood in a rejection of personal responsibility and adult obligations.
I don't recall that we had this sharp a division under Bush.
Sure the press hated him, but they hated him all along during his 2nd term.
This division has been heightened and used to sway American sentiment and perception.
There's no "Here's what I'm going to do"..it's all "Look what he's going to do to you" now.
Are you kidding? There were protests against the Iraq War and the Bushies accused them as anti-American. Everything the Bush Admin did was wrapped in the U.S. flag, to the point that conservatives to use the flag as their monopoly.
Only a liberal would say that my points are "nuts" as they are just common sense. Libs, in general, tend to oppose common sense and logic, thus thier political beliefs. It is like the child's game of "opposite day" or a return to childhood in a rejection of personal responsibility and adult obligations.
This is a good example of "conservatism" jumping the shark.
Of course, that's not really an option for conservative GOP leaders - though they seem to have adopted it recently anyway. The dilemma is two-pronged: what if this administration doesn't drive it into the mud, and things actually look pretty good despite GOP opposition by 2016? And secondly, "laying low" lays the party open to accusations of sitting on its hands and doing nothing. Either way, it places the GOP in an unenviable position for 2016.
Under what absurd premise would you consider $20 Trillion in debt, personal asset deflation of 22%, and whole host of horrific financial deterioration in the country to "actually look pretty good?"
It sounds like to me that you're already positioning yourself to declare Barack H. Obama the best President to ever grace the country, no matter what abyssmal statistics have occurred under his watch.
Only a liberal would say that my points are "nuts" as they are just common sense. Libs, in general, tend to oppose common sense and logic, thus thier political beliefs. It is like the child's game of "opposite day" or a return to childhood in a rejection of personal responsibility and adult obligations.
I said that most of your points are valid, and this is how you respond??? Someone lacks common sense and logic, and it's not me.
Only a liberal would say that my points are "nuts" as they are just common sense. Libs, in general, tend to oppose common sense and logic, thus thier political beliefs. It is like the child's game of "opposite day" or a return to childhood in a rejection of personal responsibility and adult obligations.
Oh really?
The below is what you asserted as "just common sense." Unfortunately, they are largely untrue and unfounded in facts and many are simpleton myths or idle opinion.
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1. governments should spend within thier means ( then we couldn't have fought WWII)
2. welfare and food stamps creates a dependent, lethargic population (opinion not based on facts)
3. two parent, male and female, families are the best stable situation for kids (opinion not based on facts)
4. Illegal drugs erode society (maybe true but unsubstantiated)
5. Higher taxes do not increase federal revenue and reduce the productivity of the nation (blatantly false)
6. The right to work should be a right (as the right to lower wages should be a right, huh)
7. The Constitution is not an outdated document (who said it was?)
8. Our constitutional rights should not be infringed by the tyranny of the majority (who said it should be?)
9. Using our natural resources reduces dependency on foriegn, hostile nations (for now, then they run out)
10. NAFTA and China most favored nation trade status should be re-evaluated (perhaps)
11. The EPA should be muzzled (why? they keep the air and water clean)
12. The Federal Reserve should be disbanded (and replaced by what?)
13. Term limits of one term should be the law (if enough agree, then change the law
14. Lobbying should be illegal (that conflicts with #8 on your list. Free speech issue.
15. Supreme Court justices should have term limits
I've been here for years and I'm just starting get a vague sense that right wing ideology is on the decline. Right wing posters aren't as unified anymore. Maybe some are learning they've been taken for a ride? They seem less numerous, and more elderly every year. The real dead enders, (birthers, Obama conspiracists, crusty old farts accusing liberals of being "communists") are on the borderline of being considered outcasts by what's left of mainstream conservatives. This just goes beyond the last election. I think time has finally caught up with this backwards ideology.
To liberals the fact that there are less women in executive board positions proves that there is sexism in the workplace. Obama said as much in the 3rd Presidential debate.
These same liberals point to the younger generations being liberal saying that the demographics are in their favor, while at the same time steadfastly denying any liberal bias or indoctrination in education.
Not that this is a response to what padcrasher wrote - it's just his pointing out that young people are liberal that prompted me to make this point. Absence of women in high paid positions is evidence of sexism. But absence of conservatives in recent graduates is not evidence of liberal bias in those schools. Even when schools publicly state that they consider it their responsiblity to inculcate values in their students.
To return to the topic, I agree with it. What I would say about it, though, is that it is a response to the very same thing occurring on the left wing. Just as one example, the consititution explicitly prohibits a federal healthcare system. Says it flat out. And yet how many liberals on here say we should do it? So is it really any wonder that you get people coming out of the woodwork to take extreme anti-government positions? As for birthers, when was the last time a President purposely sealed his records? Wrote an autobiography wherein he stated he sought out the most radical people he could find to surround himself with? Is it any wonder you get people coming out of the woodwork being suspicious of his past?
Well...some things have changed... The left is similar to the on-going state of a shaky can of coke. Every day its mess all over and all , the lefts fault.. With Obama the multitudes have been able to snap the lid open with the eccentric leader for a gulp..... Now with pop flying all over and the lefty completely embarrassed , something is very obvious... The lefty new way is not anything about freedom and choice and liberty at all...its not even a new book of rules...Its a book of Commandments with fear and demands...even mental expectations from fiery Pulpit style thrones...
The left is now without a doubt a new stern ole fashioned style bossy religion. Precepts and doctrines in attempted force by manipulation and crass attempts in population brainwashing...no doubt not a product of any advanced society, the liberals have fumbled their own ball. We know this and have evidence, every time on TV the pawns or horse's or bishops from the left get properly interviewed ...and realize the ridiculous nonsense cannot escape exposure...we get that embarrassed dumb zombie grin. There is no liberal , no freedom position , no nothing for now. These everyday are the fruits of the new pushy, ole fashioned religion style effort...all clamped up, there is no liberal.
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And old school liberal ideology isn't declining and dying out even faster? Whatever happened to ban the bomb, make love, not war, feed the poor, save the environment, help the homeless? Now its a very self centered attitude of take what you can from the government, or anybody for that matter, demand whatever you think you're owed, and look the other way as long as you get what you want. And its still a platform based on ideas that just don't work and are driving the country further into debt, closer to fascist statist ideology. Its the conservatives who are keeping the government at bay, even if they aren't exactly doing a very good job.
You do know that if they ever take down conservatives and independants, you liberals will be the next to fall and go down even faster, right? You're the weakest of us all and only useful for the time being. We all have to work together to keep the government from getting too much power.
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