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Old 03-01-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Originally Posted by Lilly1224 View Post
Do you actually believe that a majority of heterosexual couples engage in anal sex. LOL LOL LOL
You really are naive, aren't you?

 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Bethesda, MD
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You really are naive, aren't you?
The problem is, far too many males are hooked on porn, and guess who controls that industry. The porn industry pushes fringe acts, and since many males watch porn, overtime, they begin to believe that this is normal.

Nevertheless, the majority of women do not engage in anal sex.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Yes, of course it was illegal, but the illegality stemmed from Jim Crow laws.
So what? Gays are prevented to marry because of DOMA and individual State Constitutions. It took the voters to overturn that belief in 9 states, however their marriages are still not legally recognized federally.

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Since blacks and whites were barred from mixing,
They weren't prevented from "mixing" (they could interact with each other all they wanted). They were barred from marrying each other.

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obviously those who engaged in interracial sex, were deemed as breaking the law, since again, race mixing of any kind was against the law.
currently there are several states that have laws against gays having sex; currently if a gay couple tried to get married, they wouldn't be seen as married.

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This had nothing to do with the act of sex, and more to do with the fact that the races were barred from socializing with each other.
Again you're hung up on the sex. A gay couple can be married and not have sex, so what does "act of sex" have to do with anything? Marriage isn't about sex. Its about love and support, and a couple doesn't need to engage in sex to show and have either.

And they weren't prevented from socializing (seeing as you'd have to, in order to business and do everyday things) They weren't allowed to get married.

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As the quote above highlights, marriage between blacks and whites were barred due to the discriminatory racial practices which existed because of Jim Crow.
That was in particular to that CASE, which is why the statement was there. Why don't you just ignore the very first part of the quote, which applies to everyone (gay or straight): Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival

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I fail to see the correlation between interracial marriage and homosexuality.
Its not surprising that bigots can't see the obvious.

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Gays are asking for society to redefine the institution of marriage to include same sex relationships.
No they aren't. Marriage was never officially defined as between man and woman until DOMA was passed. So it was the heterosexuals who redefined marriage, not gays. Gays would like it to return to the ambiguous definition it had for nearly 50 years.

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It is illegal to discriminate based on gender and/or sexual orientation, but what does this have to do with gays marrying?
they are being discriminated because they CAN't marry the person they love, who happens to be the same sex. I don't know why this is hard to understand.

If you were prevented to marry the man you loved because say, he was Jewish and no woman but a Jewish woman could marry him according to law, wouldn't you feel as if you are being discriminated against, because you are not Jewish?

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I simply fail to see the connection, because at the end of the day, a white man married a black woman.
Against the law at the time. They were arrested, charged and had to endure a long trials, where their private lives were exposed to the world. The state wanted to catch them in the act of having sex, so they could put more charges on the couple, thereby adding to their "criminality".

In the end, it got to change the law in Virginia, but states up until the late 60's still had laws in the book that interracial marriages were still illegal.

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This did not redefine marriage but it did challenge Jim Crow laws which barred blacks and whites from mixing. Again, this is an apples and oranges argument.
This is not apples to oranges. ITS the same damn argument
"Blacks and white were never meant to marry. They are going against Holy Scripture, and will bring devastation onto the this nation, if they were allowed to marry. Their unions will bring the downfall of society and create chaos, to which this nation will never recover from."

"Homoseuxals were never meant to marry or engage in Same Sex unions. They are going against Holy Scripture, and will bring devastation onto this nation, if they were allowed to marry. Their unions will bring the downfall of society, to which this nation will never recover from."

"Jews and Christians were never meant to marry. They are going against Holy Scripture, and will bring devastation onto this nation, if they were allowed to marry. Their unions will bring the downfall of society, to which this nation will never recover from."
Really, you can't see this? ^^^^^

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Gays want to redefine the institution of marriage, because there is currently no monotheistic religion which condones homosexual practices.
It's a good thing that marriage in the US is not based on a religious belief.

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Any religious figure who marries a gay couple is not honoring God's law.
Several priests would disagree with you, since God's law also say to love, respect and support your neighbor, no matter who they are and what they do.

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This is nothing more than an example of how man seeks to redefine and alter what God has already declared as the natural order of things.
God was invented by man, by the rich and powerful to subjugate and control the poor and ignorant. He is a mythical creation, an imaginary sky daddy, who has as much power over humans, as your neighbor has over you.

Your "God" co-opted the and changed the beliefs of other cultures (as his follower conquered them), including the notion of marriage (in Greek Societies, it was legal for same sex unions to occur).

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Why would a mixed race couple sue a Church?
If the Church was run by a KKK member who happened to be a priest and denied a couple to get married, they would have reason to sue (not that they would sue).

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You do realize that mixed race couples could get married where Jim crow was not on the books.
You do realize that we are talking about FEDERAL LAW here that bans same sex marriages across the nation. That means its "in all the books" for the US.

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In fact, the Lovings were married in D.C, because there were no such Jim Crow Laws there. Also, mixed race couples could get married in the North as well.
Yet their "marriage" wasn't recognized in Virginia.

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Again, the issue was Jim Crow/segregation not marriage.
The issue with was marriage in Loving V Virginia.


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Why don't you get this basic point?
The only person not getting it is you.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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I notice that this issue keeps coming up. Yes, the fact is there are some heterosexual couples who can not conceive naturally, but this doesn't change the fact that sperm from a man and an egg from a woman creates life.
Again so what? The fact that you use that argument against gays, but don't use it against heterosexuals, show how weak your argument is in the first place.

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Irrespective of whether or not a woman can conceive, the natural order of things is, women have eggs and men have sperm. Why do you think men and women were created with different parts that ultimately fit together?
And what about barren women?
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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The problem is, far too many males are hooked on porn, and guess who controls that industry.
Most couples who engage in sex do not watch porn. Most couples who engage in anal sex, do not watch porn.

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The porn industry pushes fringe acts, and since many males watch porn, overtime, they begin to believe that this is normal.
The porn industry shows exactly what happens between men and women, gays and bi sexuals.

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Nevertheless, the majority of women do not engage in anal sex.
you are so naive.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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Actually, the penis and anus do not fit perfectly.


Wow. Just wow. From the downfall of American society as we know it to "Everything You Wanted To Know About Anal Sex". Presented to you by the religious far right. Who are tremendously interested in what people do behind closed doors. In their own homes.

Is this a hobby of the far right because I sure don't know any liberals this interested in the subject. Most have other things to do. Cooking. Reading. Making their own paper. Paying attention to their OWN sex lives and not someone else's.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Nevertheless, the majority of women do not engage in anal sex.
And I suppose the majority of women don't engage in oral sex either.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by Lilly1224 View Post
Nevertheless, the majority of women do not engage in anal sex.
Maybe not a majority but a heck of a lot of heterosexual women do engage in anal sex:

According to the Center for Disease Control, sexual behaviors among males and females aged 25–44, revealed that "36% of women and 44% of men ever had anal sex with an opposite-sex partner."
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

What's with your anal sex obsession anyway?
 
Old 03-01-2013, 09:03 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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What's with your anal sex obsession anyway?
Good question!

Although that obsession seems to be a common theme among those who are the most vocal against marriage equality.

Personally, I find that obsession to be rather creepy.
 
Old 03-01-2013, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Good question!

Although that obsession seems to be a common theme among those who are the most vocal against marriage equality.

Personally, I find that obsession to be rather creepy.
The most strident homophobes always give these really graphic descriptions of sex acts that they attribute only to gay men (e.g., anal sex, teabagging, etc.). It's REALLY bizarre!!! Why spend time thinking of and describing people doing acts that supposedly gross you out? Of course, a student in a Psych 101 class could probably proffer the obvious answer to this question.
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