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Old 02-27-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Originally Posted by katygirl68 View Post
Oh, what an idiot. I tried to watch that show but couldn't stomach it. His editorial about the voter id laws makes me want to scream. How does Dorothy cash checks, collect Social Security, get a job, have a bank account, or do any of the miriad things you have to have a photo id to do in this country? If she's 75, surely she's getting Social Security. That whole debate is stupid.
We can agree that the whole debate is stupid, when voter ID laws don't fix a problem. We already know there are many, many senior citizens who have no photo IDs. How do they manage?

Social Security doesn't require one to have a photo ID. Banks don't require photo ID to open an account, just a SSA card (they may now, but if you opened the account decades ago, they didn't.) To cash a SSA check at the bank:

1. Take the check to one of your bank locations that accepts deposits.
2. Write your signature on the back of your social security check before approaching the bank teller.
3. Give your signed social security check to the bank teller along with the information on your savings or checking account.

Everything in the TV clip is a factual depiction of the Tea Baggers, especially "unpersuaded by facts."
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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Everyone makes a mistake. I voted for Nixon, my apologies.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Why didn't Republicans nominate a better candidate? Why can't some people accept that their party made the mistakes that cost them the election.

Why are people blaming Obama voters? Seems LAZY and UNEDUCATED since............ WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS PUT FORTH A BETTER CAMPAIGN?
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The media is being controlled . That is a given.. We are all being dubed by the media.. it might as well be

CNN Communist News Network... supporting socialism.. and Obama's every move..

CBS Communist Broadcasting System.. should be renamed to better understand their support of Obama

NBC National Broadcasting Communism.

ABC American Broadcasting Communism.. I am not fooled.. Big power is pushing Americans into globalism.. America has drastically changed the past few generations.. the dumbing down of Americans.. no class, no morals, tv and media have proven this time after time..


The liberals don't even know they are being brainwashed.. they think liberalism is just liberalism.. it is actually communism when it is fully transformed.. they don't get it and they never will because they are blinded. Globalism will have to have a one world religion which will denounce the real God. That is happening now.. Many churches are transforming as well. The teachings of the Bible are being attacked daily all in the name of social issues . God is not mocked. The people will destroy themselves as greed , spending of this president making the next generations to pay the piper. One does not create debt without the burden of debt. The blessing on this country is being taken away .
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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1.) They are both misguided religious groups, and they both manipulate the words of their Holy Books.
Example,
a. republicans are against feeding poor people with welfare.
b. republicans are against insuring the 10,000's who die each year from not having health insurance.
c. republicans are against helping other countries.
(The Bible clearly shows that Jesus would be FOR the above things.)
First, the Tea Party is not the Republican Party.
Second, neither the Tea Party nor the Republican Party has a holy book

a. Republicans are not against feeding poor people with welare.
b. Republicans are not against insuring people who die each year from not having insurance
c. Republicans are not against helping other countries

These are all unsubstantiated asserts and all of them are provably false. There are Republicans who don't agree with the Tea Party and Tea Party members who aren't Republicans, but are Libertarians or independent conservatives instead. Both of them are political groups, not religious groups and have no religious doctrine. The welfare system in place prior to Obama's election and executive order which changed it, was designed by Republicans so there's no way to claim that Republicans are against feeding poor people with welfare. Republicans planned to repeal and replace Obamacare, not just repeal it, so you cannot claim that Republicans are against insuring people. In his campaign Romney called for no reductions in foreign aid and stated his view that it was important for humanitarian reasons to improve the security and economies of other nations so you cannot claim that Republicans are against helping other countries.

I mean saying Republicans are against feeding poor people when the welfare system in place in place from 1996 to 2012 was designed, proposed, and enacted by Republicans? That's just flat out falsehood. Not even biased or misrepresentation. Just 100% demonstrably false.

Saying that Republicans are against insuring people who die when it was President Bush who signed prescription drug benefits for the elderly into medicare? Saying Republicans are against insuring people when Romney said in the Presidential debates that he would put in place allowances for each state insure all its uninsured people? Again, provably false.

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2. Scientist's say they both use propaganda on their own people.
Every political group uses propaganda. You are evidence of that, as your above claims regarding Republicans being against welfare and against insuring people are pure propaganda. It takes Republicans being against the current welfare rules and spending levels and calls that being "against feeding poor people". It takes Republicans being against the specific policies of Obamacare and wanting to replace them and calls it being "against insuring people who die from lack of insurance". When you take someone opposing a particular policy and call that being opposed to dealing with the problem at all, that's propaganda. Having your own solutions for welfare and insurance that don't match Democrat solutions does not make you against welfare and insurance.

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3. Both groups have a leadership structure that makes their followers believe lies.
Example, Fox news and Rush radio are the leaders of the Tea Party. Fox news tells them lies like "global warming is not happening, tax cuts for the rich increase government revenues, B. Obama is a communist, Social Security is out of money, ex.ex." (And the Tea Party members believe all the lies.)
Niether Rush Limbaugh nor Fox News has any relationship with the Tea Party. Merely being in the same wing of the political spectrum does not make Fox or Rush leaders of the Tea Party.

And you have no evidence whatsoever that the Tea Party members believe all the lies. You would have to ask every Tea Party member about every lie before you could state what you just did as "fact".


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4. They are both against women's rights. (But the Taliban is MUCH worse than the Tea Party)
Example, Tea Party members are against a woman's right to be a front line soldier, and they are against a women's right to have a abortion. ex.ex.ex.
The Tea Party is not against women's rights. There is no right to be a front line soldier. The military runs under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and follows directives from Congress. You are specifically not under civilian law when you join the miltary. Nobody has any right to serve in any given position within the military.

Before you can say it is a fact that the Tea Party is against women's rights by pointing to abortion, you must first prove that the Tea Party accepts abortion as a woman's right and then opposes that right. Otherwise your characterization is wrong. If the Tea Party does not believe abortion is a right, then they are not opposed to womens' rights by being against abortion. And in any case, while many members of the Tea Party are against abortion, the Tea Party itself has no position on abortion. So again, you cannot use abortion to claim the Tea Party is against women's rights.

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5. They both love small government.
Neither group wants things like the EPA, FDA, IRS, public schools, public libraries, ex.ex.ex.
This one is similar to #2. So what? This is another category so broad as to be meaningless. You could also say they are the same because the members of both are human beings. Or both have been seen wearing brown clothes. Both tend to drink water. Is Obama the same as Stalin because both want big government? Of course not.

Additionally, how do you know that the Taliban wants small government? How do you know that the Taliban doesn't want big government but just not have the ability to have one?

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6. Both groups commit (or) speak about violence against their own fellow country people.
Example, I have heard many Tea Party members speak of overthrowing the US government, because they believe the US government is becoming communists.
This is an illegitimate comparison. Police officers and criminals both speak about violence against their own fellow countrymen. Does that make police and criminals the same?

Two groups both speaking about civil violence doesn't make them equivalent to each other.

Also, while Tea Party members may speak about a civil war or overthrowing the government, that is not the Tea Party position. Different people in the Tea Party can say different things without the things they say being official policy of the Tea Party.



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Can you point to 6 facts showing that the Tea Party is (not) similar to the Taliban ??
1. The Tea Party wants rule of law via the constitution. The Taliban wants Sharia law.
2. The Tea Party wants certain policies enacted in America. The Taliban wants authoritarian rule of Afghanistan
3. The Tea Party supports freedom of expression. The Taliban banned television, music, and the Internet
4. The Tea Party does not support drug use. The Taliban actively cultivates and smuggles opium.
5. The Tea Party wants freedom of religion. The Taliban made Islam a state religion.
6. The Tea Party supports democracy. The Taliban opposes free elections.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
The media is being controlled . That is a given.. We are all being dubed by the media.. it might as well be

CNN Communist News Network... supporting socialism.. and Obama's every move..

CBS Communist Broadcasting System.. should be renamed to better understand their support of Obama

NBC National Broadcasting Communism.

ABC American Broadcasting Communism.. I am not fooled.. Big power is pushing Americans into globalism.. America has drastically changed the past few generations.. the dumbing down of Americans.. no class, no morals, tv and media have proven this time after time..


The liberals don't even know they are being brainwashed.. they think liberalism is just liberalism.. it is actually communism when it is fully transformed.. they don't get it and they never will because they are blinded. Globalism will have to have a one world religion which will denounce the real God. That is happening now.. Many churches are transforming as well. The teachings of the Bible are being attacked daily all in the name of social issues . God is not mocked. The people will destroy themselves as greed , spending of this president making the next generations to pay the piper. One does not create debt without the burden of debt. The blessing on this country is being taken away .
No mention of FOX in there, are the right-wing media since we are being fair and unbiased....
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Why didn't Republicans nominate a better candidate? Why can't some people accept that their party made the mistakes that cost them the election.

Why are people blaming Obama voters? Seems LAZY and UNEDUCATED since............ WHY DIDN'T THE REPUBLICANS PUT FORTH A BETTER CAMPAIGN?
ANY Republican candidate was a better candidate than Obama!
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Park Rapids
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ANY Republican candidate was a better candidate than Obama!
Obama has lowered the bar for any president to follow. Republican candidates should have wiped him from office last time, it's the MEDIA that swayed the election.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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When asked why did you vote for Obama’, the National Black Chamber of Commerce president Harry Alford said he voted for Obama because he was black and that it was the worst mistake of his life and a lesson he’ll take to his grave. He also slams Al Sharpton as being as a paid-for-lackey of Obama.
The irony of a Republican using another Republicans statement of voting based on race is hilarious
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Obama has lowered the bar for any president to follow. Republican candidates should have wiped him from office last time, it's the MEDIA that swayed the election.
The argument that Obama was some how a bad candidate was based on 2 criteria

1. The economy based on the perception of everyday americans

2. polls that asked a question a certain way.



there is a fundamental difference in asking someone to grade President Obama and how he has performed his job vs asking someone how the nation as a whole should be graded because the nation as a whole does not just mean the president, it means my local officials, what i see the state doing, and the state next door and the ignorance in congress.

those 2 questions got totally difference answers. So it wasnt the media that swayed anything, it was people asking the wrong questions that gave republicans a false hope.

President Obama's plan for america was Positive over negative in the few times it was polled, Romney's was negative over positive in PPP, Wash Post and NYT's while it was positive in Rassmusen, Quinipiac(99% sure i spelled those wrong), NY Post and Fox News.

in head to head polling on their plans, Obama got the win in that category(although narrow, something like 38% to 30% with the rest saying they didnt know the plan)

the same was said with most of the polling.

If you ask an economist if our nation was heading in the right direction by doing what we are doing, they would tell you yes, if you asked that same economist what was needed for our nation to grow at an acceptable rate to the public at large then they would tell you a different numbers.

What is economically responsible and what is needed for the nation are not one in the same. What is needed for the nation seems to be what Republicans were judging the Obama administration on while the public was judging them on what is economically responsible.

we would all love 4% GDP growth(what economist say we need), that is the target, but is it possible right now with out doing things that are risky and could possibly hurt us, NO.
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