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View Poll Results: Is there such a thing as heterophobia?
Yes 29 37.66%
No 40 51.95%
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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When I realized I was attracted to guys, I was completely unaware that homosexuality existed.

Please explain how that constituted "learned" behavior.
How could you be unaware that something that you were engaging in existed?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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How could you be unaware that something that you were engaging in existed?
I wasn't "engaging" in anything at that age. I just realized that I liked guys instead of girls -- even though I had no idea that such a thing was even possible.

Can you address that claim without implying (yet again) that my story is "anecdotal" and that I am therefore a liar? Whom are you going to believe: an actual gay person, or an anti-gay propagandist?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I wasn't "engaging" in anything at that age. I just realized that I liked guys instead of girls -- even though I had no idea that such a thing was even possible.

Can you address that claim without implying (yet again) that my story is "anecdotal" and that I am therefore a liar? Whom are you going to believe: an actual gay person, or an anti-gay propagandist?
I believe empirical evidence, and none has been presented that demonstrates that homosexuality is natural.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The moral norms of society caused me to make the choice, that and natural law.
Then why do some guys choose to be homosexual? Does it work the same way that someone looks at vanilla, chocolate and strawberry ice cream and decides that strawberry would feel best to the taste buds?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I believe empirical evidence, and none has been presented that demonstrates that homosexuality is natural.
I've just presented empirical evidence that in my case at least, my being homosexual -- even if it can't be explained genetically -- is an innate and immutable part of who I am. In other words, it's natural.

But I suppose there's nothing you can do anymore except call me a liar, so we're at an impasse.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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As would you.

“Ex-Gay” Reparative Therapy Thoroughly Debunked « From Eternity To Here

Please read that before you insinuate (yet again) that I am a liar.
LOL!

I linked to a throughly researched article complete with cited sources from academic journals.

http://cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf


You linked to a 5 paragraph blog entry.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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LOL!

I linked to a throughly researched article complete with cited sources.
... one of which, upon which the entire edifice of "reparative therapy" rests, has been thoroughly debunked by its own author.

And if you're so willing to swallow that "scientific" evidence so unquestioningly, does that mean you also believe in anthropogenic global warming? What about the fact that the Earth is 6 billion years old?

If it's published in a self-proclaimed scientific article, it must be true, right?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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How can one fear something that they choose to be?
How old were you when you "chose" to be straight?
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I've just presented empirical evidence that in my case at least, my being homosexual -- even if it can't be explained genetically -- is an innate and immutable part of who I am. In other words, it's natural.

But I suppose there's nothing you can do anymore except call me a liar, so we're at an impasse.
You should learn the difference between empirical and antecdotal evidence.
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Old 03-01-2013, 01:51 PM
 
Location: "Chicago"
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LOL!

I linked to a throughly researched article complete with cited sources from academic journals.

http://cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
No, you linked to an article from a faith-based, religious anti-gay-marriage advocacy group.
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