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Old 02-28-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Its a stupid, Washington stunt, and it only draws more of a line between citizens who should be treated as equals.
Well, the law attempts to 'treat everyone as equals'.

I hate to say this, but I hope someday your partner pushes you down a flight of stairs and opens the door and kicks you out onto the concrete stoop, and down the steps so violently your head bangs against the cement sidewalk. Neighbors call the police; nothing happens. Cop says to your partner "just cool down." You might go to the hospital, but your partner is standing RIGHT THERE and you know if you say anything about what happened you're just in for more later.

Please, people who know nothing about domestic violence should really just shut up.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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So where is the violence against Husbands acts? Or why not "Violence against spouses" act?

Because violence in a house is the same as it is somewhere else on the street. Being stabbed in an alley, or stabbed in your bedroom, I don't think it should make a difference. And the sex of the offender and the victim shouldn't make a damn either.

One person shouldn't be better, or worse, then another.
Read the act.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Well, the law attempts to 'treat everyone as equals'.

I hate to say this, but I hope someday your partner pushes you down a flight of stairs and opens the door and kicks you out onto the concrete stoop, and down the steps so violently your head bangs against the cement sidewalk. Neighbors call the police; nothing happens. Cop says to your partner "just cool down." You might go to the hospital, but your partner is standing RIGHT THERE and you know if you say anything about what happened you're just in for more later.

Please, people who know nothing about domestic violence should really just shut up.
Nothing happens because many times the "victim" says nothing.

You've gotta say something. Living in fear ain't gonna cut it. Women aren't the only people that are in crappy situations.

How many people have stepped into a DV situation only to have the woman turn on you when the police come???

That's also why they go to jail. You can't "not report it" and then shoot an abuser in their sleep and expect people to always take your word for it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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Nothing happens because many times the "victim" says nothing.

You've gotta say something. Living in fear ain't gonna cut it. Women aren't the only people that are in crappy situations.

How many people have stepped into a DV situation only to have the woman turn on you when the police come???

That's also why they go to jail. You can't "not report it" and then shoot an abuser in their sleep and expect people to always take your word for it.
And you don't think the reason women don't report it is because they don't want to antagonize their spouse further? Or they think reporting it won't make any difference, or even make their situation worse? Or they still think if they are nice enough and a good enough wife, the abuse will stop, so they try all the harder? Or they are ashamed? Or they want to keep things private? Lots of reasons.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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And you don't think the reason women don't report it is because they don't want to antagonize their spouse further? Or they think reporting it won't make any difference, or even make their situation worse? Or they still think if they are nice enough and a good enough wife, the abuse will stop, so they try all the harder? Or they are ashamed? Or they want to keep things private? Lots of reasons.
Exactly. And people will be much more likely to report now thanks to the provisions in this act (that the nay-sayers refuse to read)!
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Well, the majority do, but the VAWA tries to make sure that their boyfriend or husband won't come after them when they do try to separate (although obviously without much success.) The period during which a woman is actually taking the steps to leave her abusive partner is the most dangerous time, when she is most likely to be injured or murdered. And then the VAWA tries to ensure that a victim of domestic violence will have support from the law enforcement in enforcing things like protection orders, and community support for herself and her children.
You don't have any idea how seriously silly that is. Sure.....wait for a cop? Nope! Level the playing field with a .38. Done! Problem solved!

Pssssssttttttttt: Protective orders and community support is already there.

Never mind. It's like explaining something simple to a salted slug.

Francine Hughes knew how to handle it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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When your perpetrator shares a home and a bed with you, you can't go around armed all the time.
Leave.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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Yes, I know men can be victims, also. It's a terrible and horrifying experience for anyone, man or woman.
The problem is that this is always add in as an afterthought. No serious efforts are made to address men who are victims. And the usual reason for that is because so few men are victims. But then no serious effort is made to raise awareness for men or encourage them to report it. So it is a self perpetuating situation. The stats were low for women too once. But when crime stats on female victims were low, then awareness campaigns were launched to uncover the real extent of the problem and encourage women to come forward. While crime stats for men are low, it is taken as justification for putting no effort towards them.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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So where is the violence against Husbands acts? Or why not "Violence against spouses" act?

Because violence in a house is the same as it is somewhere else on the street. Being stabbed in an alley, or stabbed in your bedroom, I don't think it should make a difference. And the sex of the offender and the victim shouldn't make a damn either.

One person shouldn't be better, or worse, then another.
Do you read what other people post? The act protects men as well.

I'll do you one better here's the exact language:
Nothing in this title shall be construed to prohibit male victims of domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, and stalking from receiving benefits and services under this title."
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Nothing happens because many times the "victim" says nothing.

Do you have any idea why the victim says nothing?

You've gotta say something. Living in fear ain't gonna cut it. Women aren't the only people that are in crappy situations.

'Crappy situations'...

How many people have stepped into a DV situation only to have the woman turn on you when the police come???

Not sure what you mean..

That's also why they go to jail. You can't "not report it" and then shoot an abuser in their sleep and expect people to always take your word for it.
Yes, I agree. The Jodi Arias case is just such a scenario. She killed him in cold blood but is trying to use the abuse defense. Sickening. She doesn't know the MEANING of abuse. At least, not according to her testimony.
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