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Old 02-28-2013, 08:31 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes, and it us understandable why victims hesitate. The VAWA also addresses sex crimes like rape, which is THE most under-reported crime of all, for reasons you can well understand. ( ~ 70 % of rapes go unreported, if I remember correctly.)
If they go unreported how would you have a percentage?
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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You just showed a perfect example of why you can't count on the po po to save your hide.
Perhaps the moral is that no one who values their life is a match for some guy who is in a homicidal rage and willing to be shot to death as long as he takes the woman with him. And in the case I am referring to, the perpetrator was ultimately killed in a shoot-out with the police. It's pretty hard to defend yourself against someone who has nothing to lose.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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Yes, and it us understandable why victims hesitate. The VAWA also addresses sex crimes like rape, which is THE most under-reported crime of all, for reasons you can well understand. ( ~ 70 % of rapes go unreported, if I remember correctly.)
No, it is about half, but half of reported rapes are false accusations so it sort of evens itself out.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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If they go unreported how would you have a percentage?
Surveys.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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Perhaps the moral is that no one who values their life is a match for some guy who is in a homicidal rage and willing to be shot to death as long as he takes the woman with him. And in the case I am referring to, the perpetrator was ultimately killed in a shoot-out with the police. It's pretty hard to defend yourself against someone who has nothing to lose.
You may not be a match physically but a gun evens that out. Keep tooting the guns won't help you out when somebody is attacking you horn. It didn't make sense the first time you said it and still doesn't. If people would stop raising their daughters to be victims maybe the cycle would stop.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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As reasonable and as easy as that sounds, there are many women so confused in mind and spirit that they can't or are afraid to. Their whole existence is tied to their spouse, arranged for by their spouse. Even more so if they have children. Trying to escape with no funds, no place to go, and to go by herself is just unthinkable. As crazy as it sounds, these women think they deserve nothing and it is nearly impossible to muster up any confidence to think they deserve something better. Sometimes laws seem redundant and ridiculous to some, but I hope it helps.

I can't help but think about a woman who finally got away from her stalker, lived quietly in New York, purchased a gun to protect herself. Then the stupid newspaper put the names and addresses of all gun owners in the newspaper, and her stalker had her again. The telephone calls began immediately, and her life without fear was over once again. I wish the newspaper editor could be prosecuted under this new law.


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Old 02-28-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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One problem solved; one problem created.
Spend the rest of your life in jail while someone else raises your children.

Yeah, that's an option.
Self defense laws must be different in NJ. In the better parts of America you don't spend your life in jail for killing someone who is attacking you. I suppose in a deep blue state like NJ everything is the fault of the victim.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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No, it is about half, but half of reported rapes are false accusations so it sort of evens itself out.
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Only 36 percent of rapes, 34 percent of attempted rapes, and 26 percent of sexual assaults were reported. Reasons for not reporting assault vary among individuals, but one study identified the following as common:

Self-blame or guilt.
Shame, embarrassment, or desire to keep the assault a private matter.
Humiliation or fear of the perpetrator or other individual's perceptions.
Fear of not being believed or of being accused of playing a role in the crime.
Lack of trust in the criminal justice system.


Reporting of Sexual Violence Incidents | National Institute of Justice

And if women are hardly reporting actual rapes, why would they falsely report them? In order to be publicly humiliated and put on trial themselves? (as is still often the case.)
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Liberals perceive women as victims. The same power feminists who decry they can do everything a man can do sit and whine and moan about being under economic control by men, scared of their spouse, on and on. Leave. I would never be with a woman afraid to stand up for herself. Instead they expect the government to do the standing.
And if your 'woman' stands up for herself, do you slap her? kick her? punch her? throw her up against a wall? beat her when she's nine months pregnant?

Some men do that. Welcome to the real world.

Leave. Yes, that's an option, if there is somewhere for her and her children to go.
Leave. Yes, and hope to god he doesn't follow.
Leave. Yes, even if he threatens to kill her and her children if she leaves.
Leave. Yes, if she has the guts to do that after years of being told she is worthless and can never care for herself because she is so stupid. See, the physical abuse doesn't start right away. First there is a subtle assault on the womans (or mans) confidence in themselves. But, I throw pearls before swine. You don't really care. Things are purely black and white in your world.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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You may not be a match physically but a gun evens that out. Keep tooting the guns won't help you out when somebody is attacking you horn. It didn't make sense the first time you said it and still doesn't. If people would stop raising their daughters to be victims maybe the cycle would stop.
Well since a gun in the home doubles the likelihood that a woman will die from domestic violence if it occurs, short of wearing a gun on her hip at all times, it looks like in reality the males in the household are more likely and quicker to get their hands on a weapon.
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