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Old 03-03-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
80% of the FAA's budget money comes from "user taxes" that go into the Aviation Trust Fund.

Sequestration doesn't affect this. The Dept of Transportation is getting the cuts and they are directing most of the cuts right at the FAA and the towers.

Why furlough some paper pushers at desks when you can cause havoc in America by shutting down towers ?

We are but pawns in a political game being played in DC. They don't care about us, they don't care about the economy, they don't care about the debt and deficit spending. They are playing power games among themselves.



Rethinking the FAA budget - The Hill's Congress Blog
Like most other federal transportation programs, aviation has traditionally been funded largely by user taxes, including the passenger ticket tax, fuel taxes on private planes, and a variety of other aviation excise taxes. These monies are accounted for in the Aviation Trust Fund, which is the source of capital spending on airports and air traffic control, as well as a large portion of the FAA’s operating budget (roughly corresponding to its air traffic control workforce). Traditionally, aviation user taxes brought in more than 80 percent of the FAA’s budget.
EXACTLY!!!
We are being played like fiddles. Obama exclaimed that cops, fire, and first responders would lose their jobs!!! The problem is that 98% of them are paid by state and local entities. Politicians refuse to make any REAL cuts, and go apesh%t when just 2% of future spending is being cut. Obama owns sequestration, and he'll be taking bows when the world doesn't end because of it. He blows on both end of the flute.


NO JOBS WILL BE LOST, unfortunately. I'd love to see a whole mess of unelected bureaucrats lose theirs.

 
Old 03-03-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the last four years where data is available (2008-2011), Federal spending went up an average of 9% per year.

If spending was going to go up by this average amount next year, sequestration means that it will go up 7% instead of 9%.

Yes, even with this sequestration everybody is screaming in terror about, spending will INCREASE next year over what it was this year. And by a pretty good amount.

So, let me get this straight:

Due to an INCREASE of 7% in spending, the FAA is going to close 168 control towers???
 
Old 03-03-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
In the last four years where data is available (2008-2011), Federal spending went up an average of 9% per year.

If spending was going to go up by this average amount next year, sequestration means that it will go up 7% instead of 9%.

Yes, even with this sequestration everybody is screaming in terror about, spending will INCREASE next year over what it was this year. And by a pretty good amount.

So, let me get this straight:

Due to an INCREASE of 7% in spending, the FAA is going to close 168 control towers???
Amusing, isn't it!
 
Old 03-03-2013, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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You either needed them, or you didn't. Obviously, we didn't. Anyone else besides me ever worked in a FAA control tower? I fixed their comm gear. Man, I wonder what a tower control guy can do after being tower guy for like, ever. Maybe they can deliver pizzas or something. Salary gonna take a hit, though. Which is just what a recovering economy needs.... less money going in. It's like someone is bleeding to death and you give them a lot of blood and then you are like "No more blood for you, Cuz, Congress, that's why."

FAA begins process to close 168 towers on April 1 - CNN.com

Congress cares about this. That's why they did NOTHING... because, hey, they ain't losing their jobs, right? One side can sit there and say the same BS for MONTHS and ... nothing happens. We need a fundamental change in Congress. If it doesn't matter that you can't do your job, yet you can still keep your job, you have a seriously flawed system. Imagine, if at work, they gave you a task, and a date. At the end, you say, "Meh, I didn't figure it out. "

YOU GET FIRED. We just get to wait a few years, and watch as the idiot gets elected again. It's hilarious in its idiocy.

Imagine ... if Congress told everyone to cut a lot of money by a certain date and the FAA got to that date and said "No one could agree on what to do."

What would happen then? Would Congress be like, all OK with that massive cluster#$@#? I dare say, heads would roll.
Shouldn't you address the one who insisted, threatened and supported sequestration?
Shouldn't you be laying this at Obama's feet?
 
Old 03-04-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW, you folks know that most control towers at small to medium airports that have them, shut down every night anyway, don't you?

My guess is, that a few more towers at these small airports will shut down at night, if the FAA does what it's threatening to do.

And/or, a few will now shut down at 6:00PM instead of the 7:00PM they are used to. These times are published in every pilot's manual, and are updated regularly, since they change every now and then.

You folks knew that, didn't you?
 
Old 03-04-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
BTW, you folks know that most control towers at small to medium airports that have them, shut down every night anyway, don't you?

My guess is, that a few more towers at these small airports will shut down at night, if the FAA does what it's threatening to do.

And/or, a few will now shut down at 6:00PM instead of the 7:00PM they are used to. These times are published in every pilot's manual, and are updated regularly, since they change every now and then.

You folks knew that, didn't you?
The title of the article is misleading, they are not really closing 168 towers, just laying off the contractor air traffic controllers. They are not reducing hours, there will be no staffing at all for those towers indicated, planes will continue to land under different procedures.
 
Old 03-09-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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The towers set for closure are part of the FAA Contract Tower Program. This program was established to SAVE the FAA money by contracting out Level 1 and 2 towers and have private contractors run them instead of the FAA. By doing this it saves the FAA around 1-1.5 MILLION dollars PER tower. The FAA would staff a tower with 12 controllers - 3 or 4 working 8 on break - while the contractor would do the same job with only 5 or 6 controllers - more time actually working than sitting around on break. Yes I have worked for both the FAA and a Contract tower. Sunday mornings in the FAA we had three controllers working while 8 controllers set in the break room.

NATCA (FAA CONTROLLERS UNION) is against contract tower program. By shutting down the contract towers - 75 percent of the closures are contract towers while the FAA is only reducing their budget by 5 percent, NATCA gets rid of the contract tower program as most of the companies will not be able to survive losing so much of their business.

Also, if all these controllers are laid off for months how many will be around when and if the towers reopen?

How long with it take to re-certify the controllers to work again? or even find enough people to reopen the towers?

Some corporate airlines wont fly at uncontrolled airports due to insurance cost.

Some commercial airlines may pull out of smaller markets now also, leaving the airports without landing fees, meaning airports will lose money and then lay off their employees also.

The FAA is spending $179 million dollars this year on travel expenses and did not cut anything from that budget
The FAA is spending $139 million dollars this year on maintaining 41 aircraft and did not cut anything from that budget

The towers are closing - the airports never close unless closed by the airport authority - if there is no staffing - the towers are closed.
 
Old 03-09-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Does anybody know how many Obamaphone accounts have been closed?
 
Old 03-09-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Does anybody know how many Obamaphone accounts have been closed?
That would be racist.
 
Old 03-09-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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That would be racist.
Actually it would be stupid not racist. There is no such thing as an Obamaphone.
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