What happens when you call 911........you die (family, USA, injury)
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I have a feeling she will soon be out of a job and looking for another one where she can deny treatment to the ill. She's a nurse who believes her job does not include saving lives.
Totally unfounded, but you're entitled to your "feeling..."
She would have violated the agreement the independent living facility had with all residents and their families had she done otherwise. They have other facilities that intervene (see below), absent knowledge to the contrary, we should assume the family and the "elderly lady" consciously chose which facility the (sadly now) deceased was in.
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Glenwood Gardens is an independent living facility, which by law is not licensed to provide medical care to any of its residents.
Senior Care Types Provided: Assisted Living, Nursing Care, Continuing Care, Alzheimer's Care, Independent Living
Do what would've been done in any department store or gas station - provide CPR if the 911 operator instructed them to. What is the facility's reason for having a nurse on site? For show? Pretense? To dial 911, which could be done (and has been done) by children of 5?
Nurse at facility says it's against policy to perform CPR........call 911........wait.......wait........wait.....die.
"The incident unfolded on Tuesday when 87-year-old Lorraine Bayless collapsed at Glenwood Gardens, a senior living facility in Bakersfield.
In the seven-minute, 16-second recording, the nurse told the dispatcher it was against the facility's policy for employees to perform CPR on residents.
With every passing second, Bayless' chances of survival were diminishing. The dispatcher's tone turned desperate.
"Anybody there can do CPR. Give them the phone please. I understand if your facility is not willing to do that. Give the phone to that passerby," the dispatcher said. "This woman is not breathing enough. She is going to die if we don't get this started."
After several minutes, an ambulance arrived and took Bayless to Mercy Southwest Hospital, where she died.
Glenwood Gardens released a statement confirming its policy prohibiting employees from performing CPR.
"In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. That is the protocol we followed," the statement said."
More likely it's a liability issue and the capitalistic free enterprise corporation that runs the home doesn't want to assume any risk. Yea capitalists and insurance companies!
More likely it's the nanny state that has decided to make crazy rules and regulations regarding these types of homes, prohibiting certain job descriptions to do certain jobs.
Won't be surprised when it comes out that this is the result of unions deciding that only they can do a certain job.
Look. This really is not that uncommon. The woman agreed to the conditions of whatever nursing care was, or was not, provided at the facility when she signed the lease.
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“Licensed facilities in Texas can refuse to provide CPR, but they are required to notify people during the admissions process of that policy,” said Texas Department of Aging and Disabilities Services' Cecilia Cavuto.
Cavuto said this is true even if the facility has certified nurses on staff.
The Department of Aging and Disabilities Services has no authority over independent living facilities.
To assess the patient and call 911. Who else would do it? The other residents? A passing family member? I call these kind of nursing jobs babysitting...they pay lower than nursing home and a lot less than hospital. I had something similair in a group home. No emergency equipment in the facility...not even a pocket mask for CPR much less an BVM or a code cart. Just a nurse to sit around and watch people.
So they have a nurse for the purpose of dialing the phone????? For Pete's sake.
The fact that they had a nurse on board who made sure this woman received no treatment, will create HUGE problems for this facility. Guaranteed. Mark my words. They might have been better off to not have a nurse there at all. Then at least they could've claimed they had no medical providers present. I'm looking forward to seeing what develops in this case, if it doesn't settle ASAP. No doubt the management of this ridiculous place has already contacted their attorneys and is discussing settlement.
So they have a nurse for the purpose of dialing the phone????? For Pete's sake.
The fact that they had a nurse on board who made sure this woman received no treatment, will create HUGE problems for this facility. Guaranteed. Mark my words. They might have been better off to not have a nurse there at all. Then at least they could've claimed they had no medical providers present. I'm looking forward to seeing what develops in this case, if it doesn't settle ASAP. No doubt the management of this ridiculous place has already contacted their attorneys and is discussing settlement.
The lady agreed to the nursing roles at that facility when she signed the lease. There will be no settlement because the facility provided contractual services.
The lady agreed to the nursing roles at that facility when she signed the lease. There will be no settlement because the facility provided contractual services.
Mark my words, there will be a settlement. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd say it's going to be a rather huge one. This nurse prevented this woman from being saved. There will be a nice, juicy lawsuit coming out of this.
Mark my words, there will be a settlement. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd say it's going to be a rather huge one. This nurse prevented this woman from being saved. There will be a nice, juicy lawsuit coming out of this.
You know for a fact that CPR would have saved her?
How you feel and reality might be two completely different things.
There are guidelines that are put into place by the state. There are inspectors that routinely show up at the facility to make sure that they are in compliance with the guidelines. Non-compliance will get the facility fined and eventually shut down if not corrected within the alloted time frame. The family and patient are made aware of the policies of the facility prior to admission so if they had a problem with it they had the option to go elsewhere. I'm 100% certain that there is a document(s) with the patient's signature or her health care proxy's signature.
The nurse might be disciplined for sounding callous but was a crime committed? Nope. If she is in the right state she could sue the employer for firing her when she did what it was the employer told her to do in the first place.
P.S Yes, yes they do hire a nurse to dial the phone. Why is that? Well it's because lay people can't tell the difference from a true medical emergency and a fart in most cases. I've been surrounded by lay people screaming stupid things like: He's having a seizure!!! The patient? An alert and oriented x3 person with eyes open faking to get a ride to the hospital. It happens.
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua
So they have a nurse for the purpose of dialing the phone????? For Pete's sake.
The fact that they had a nurse on board who made sure this woman received no treatment, will create HUGE problems for this facility. Guaranteed. Mark my words. They might have been better off to not have a nurse there at all. Then at least they could've claimed they had no medical providers present. I'm looking forward to seeing what develops in this case, if it doesn't settle ASAP. No doubt the management of this ridiculous place has already contacted their attorneys and is discussing settlement.
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