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Independent is a name for liberals that want to pretend they aren't liberal. You are either a fascist liberal or a independent republican. There is no middle ground, stop making it seem like there is one.
This statement is representative of why Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 out of 6 the last elections. It comes straight from the bubble.
I'm not holding my breath, but imagine if a grassroots effort led to moderate independents winning in all open seats one election, such that neither Democrats or Republicans held a majority. What would that do to campaign finance, special interests?
Gallup has done a pretty good job keeping track of this. Most recent numbers:
26% Republican
29% Democrat
44% Neither
It hasn't always been that way. 50 years ago, virtually all Americans strongly identified with one party or the other. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to come with a powerful message that strongly resonates with that 44%. A powerful third party would be soon to follow and the big two parties would be in big trouble fast.
I think that the numbers tell the story of America giving up on both parties. The door is wide open for a third party to step in and be bigger than either. Just a matter of finding a message that resonates and unites that "none of the above" group.
I'm not holding my breath, but imagine if a grassroots effort led to moderate independents winning in all open seats one election, such that neither Democrats or Republicans held a majority. What would that do to campaign finance, special interests?
I am a middle of the road Independent. The far right and far left seem to cause most of our problems.
Right now I am a Registered Republican because of a close friend who was running for judge and needed our votes in the primary (He won, BTW)
I am a strong 2nd Amendment advocate. So, on CD, I am a gun nut!
I want peaceful refugees and illegal aliens kept out of my country until they can be honestly and truly vetted. So, that makes me a racist.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT our military and our police. Our military and our General Officers have been decimated. Our police have been assassinated and threatened. That makes me a strong American
I believe that the Federal Government is way overstepping states rights, obuma has issued too many executive orders and a woman's body is her own...I have no idea what the Hell that makes me,
I have voted for as many Democrats as Republicans for President since I started voting in the 60s. I did not vote for obuma. He was all flash and no substance, an empty suit. I could care less what race or sex he was, I just felt he was bad news ad that has proven true. I strongly feel that he is one of the primary causes of the racial tension that is ruining the US.
The US is in as deep a pile crap as I have ever seen..Even the Anti-War 60s
If I were King, I would expel every Member of Congress, both Houses and start all over again.
I will vote for anyone except pantsuit lady or the Socialist.
So, there it is! (And, yes, I used too many "I"s )
I am a middle of the road Independent. The far right and far left seem to cause most of our problems.
Right now I am a Registered Republican because of a close friend who was running for judge and needed our votes in the primary (He won, BTW)
I am a strong 2nd Amendment advocate. So, on CD, I am a gun nut!
I want peaceful refugees and illegal aliens kept out of my country until they can be honestly and truly vetted. So, that makes me a racist.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT our military and our police. That makes me a strong American
I believe that the Federal Government is way overstepping states rights, obuma has issued too many executive orders and a woman's body is her own...I have no idea what the Hell that makes me,
I have voted for as many Democrats as Republicans for President since I started voting in the 60s. I did not vote for obuma. He was all flash and no substance, an empty suit. I could care less what race or sex he was, I just felt he was bad news ad that has proven true. I strongly feel that he is one of the primary causes of the racial tension that is ruining the US.
The US is in as deep a pile crap as I have ever seen..Even the Anti-War 60s
If I were King, I would expel every Member of Congress, both Houses and start all over again.
I will vote for anyone except pantsuit lady or the Socialist.
So, there it is! (And, yes, I used too many "I"s )
I'm not holding my breath, but imagine if a grassroots effort led to moderate independents winning in all open seats one election, such that neither Democrats or Republicans held a majority. What would that do to campaign finance, special interests?
I don't know this to be true and no I have not looked it up. I've been meaning to, but haven't found the time.
I've always heard that a vote for an "I" is really a vote for an "R" or a "D" and never really for the "I".
Third Parties in America by Steven J. Rosenstone, Roy L. Behr, Edward H. Lazarus
"The rules that govern elections in the United States are far from neutral. They form barriers that block the emergence and discourage the growth of more than two parties. These biases help ensure that the Democrats and Republicans retain their position of dominance. The founding fathers created some of these barriers; the two major parties have helped erect others."
So ... just off the top of my head, it would do nothing to campaign finance, special interests as they are going to go with the big dawg(s). A grassroots effort will never happen.
Gary Johnson is once again running for Libertarian Party president. They are for the 100% equally. They are not addicted to money. They think freedom & peace are more important, so no corporation is guaranteed whatever they want, they won't take bribes. They side with the majority on the issues, in a way that doesn't hurt the rest.
They are for giving us back all of our Constitutional rights. I really studied Gary the last time: creative, hard-working, abnormally honest, kind, smart. He has a few million but lives modestly. There is no ego thing going on as he really believes the party position of all being equally important. He's soft-spoken & a good listener. He was running for Preident as Republican but they left him out of most debates & polls, so he went Libertarian Party & had to use up remaining time & money to get signatures again (Republican's orders).
He was popular 2 term gov of NM. He put up $500K of his own money to run as a Republican in a state that votes 2/3 Democrat. He won by a narrow margin. He inherited a deficit & left state a $1 B surplus.
He was a door to door handyman, then started his own construction company with himself as only employee. When he sold it years later for about $10M, it had over 1,000 employees! The success was just from living up to the motto "the best service for the lowest price". That's what he also promises as president of the USA. There's many lazy overpaid people in the Federal govt, with so many just in it for the bribes & ego-tripping with the power. Gary would give more power back to the states.
Gary has great determination & follow through, loves a challenge, & is virtually fearless. He was paragliding & a wing got stuck in a tree & he fell about 50 feet, broken bones in back, rib & knee. He used cannabis for 3 years for pain management & favors legalization like most people. Before his knee was even fully healed, he scaled Mount Everest! So, now in his 60s, he's back to the triathlons, swim 2.4 mi, run 26.2 mi, & bicycle 112 mi, likely the fittest presidential candidate ever!
The Libertarian Party is the 3rd largest & fastest growing party in USA. Some corporations keep his name out of mainstream media, but he can run a low-budget internet site very effectively. Certainly anyone who used an online voters guide like votesmart.org knows we have a great many parties.
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Originally Posted by Midpack
I'm not holding my breath, but imagine if a grassroots effort led to moderate independents winning in all open seats one election, such that neither Democrats or Republicans held a majority. What would that do to campaign finance, special interests?
I was a Democrat for most of my 68 years. Then I was an Independent that happens to be an atheist. As of ten days ago; I am now a Republican for the first time in my life. I am so tired of the usual politicians that are simply puppets on a string. Their puppet masters could never run for office because they are not eligible or they would never stand up to the scrutiny that we give any candidate running for President.
I want to see a President that doesn't owe the system. I want to see true 'change' - what they all promise and don't deliver. It is unfathomable to me why we have voters, that after a President does not deliver his promises, they vote for them the second time! I will follow Trump this time; but I do expect to see change of a valiant effort to give our Country back to the voters.
Independent is a name for liberals that want to pretend they aren't liberal. You are either a fascist liberal or a independent republican. There is no middle ground, stop making it seem like there is one.
I am a middle of the road Independent. The far right and far left seem to cause most of our problems.
Right now I am a Registered Republican because of a close friend who was running for judge and needed our votes in the primary (He won, BTW)
I am a strong 2nd Amendment advocate. So, on CD, I am a gun nut!
I want peaceful refugees and illegal aliens kept out of my country until they can be honestly and truly vetted. So, that makes me a racist.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT our military and our police. Our military and our General Officers have been decimated. Our police have been assassinated and threatened. That makes me a strong American
I believe that the Federal Government is way overstepping states rights, obuma has issued too many executive orders and a woman's body is her own...I have no idea what the Hell that makes me,
I have voted for as many Democrats as Republicans for President since I started voting in the 60s. I did not vote for obuma. He was all flash and no substance, an empty suit. I could care less what race or sex he was, I just felt he was bad news ad that has proven true. I strongly feel that he is one of the primary causes of the racial tension that is ruining the US.
The US is in as deep a pile crap as I have ever seen..Even the Anti-War 60s
If I were King, I would expel every Member of Congress, both Houses and start all over again.
I will vote for anyone except pantsuit lady or the Socialist.
So, there it is! (And, yes, I used too many "I"s )
Lol no you're not a moderate independent. You sound like a Republican who happens to be pro-choice. It's okay - you can accept this about yourself.
The real moderate independents are looking at this upcoming election and throwing up in their mouths a lot. They're having a hard time supporting anyone from either side.
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