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Old 03-05-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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No loss either.
Could & would say the same for many other leaders...in & out of the West. I'm thinking of a few right now from the West who definitely won't be missed..including some current "leaders".
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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I hope Venezuela prevents another monster from taking control.

This is a great opportunity for that country to restore itself to normal and become a legitimate powerhouse in Latin America.

It has so much potential.

you mean like before chavez arrived , when its leaders done cosy deals with american corporations or wealthy ex pats living in florida , chavez prioritised the poor majority , if such a possition was an affront to you or many americans , so beit
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Chavez's successor in Venezuela: Nicolas Maduro

After Chavez's Dec. 11 cancer surgery, Maduro stepped up his public appearances to fill the void, providing regular updates on the president's condition, calling for unity among allies and lambasting the opposition.

Maduro also showed how he could attempt to continue Chavez's socialist-inspired project. Speaking at one December rally, he vowed in vague terms to maintain policies that have angered the country's leading business federation, Fedecamaras, which was long at odds with the president.

"We aren't going to give dollars to Fedecamaras. What we're going to give them is pains, headaches with this Bolivarian Revolution," Maduro shouted, his voice hoarse. "I swear to you ... we're never going to betray the people of Venezuela!"


Just an indicator on how he treats some of the productive citizens of Venezuela. Won't be expecting much CHANGE.

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Hugo Chavez Leaves The Soft-Dictator's Oil Curse As His Legacy


I read the legacy in this article and it sounds like where America is heading - socialism, reduction in income inequality, charismatic leader... it all seems so familiar.

This was interesting...

Chavez’s passing will be most felt in Cuba, which has lost its most visible ally and patron. Chavez propped up Cuba’s economy with cheap oil bartered in return for Cuban doctors. As Venezuela’s oil production declines and state budget demands on oil revenues increases, Chavez’s successors will be hard pressed to maintain their Cuban subsidies.

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Old 03-05-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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May God be with his loved ones...and with Venezuela as the nation moves forward.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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you mean like before chavez arrived , when its leaders done cosy deals with american corporations or wealthy ex pats living in florida , chavez prioritised the poor majority , if such a possition was an affront to you or many americans , so beit
When Chavez came into office, his country was among the poorest and the people among the worst-suffering of the world, in spite of its immense oil wealth. Chavez changed the rules and cut malnutrition by 50%, reduced infant mortality, and dramatically increased education of the populace. He gave real hope and opportunity to millions of his citizens. In the process he made enemies of big US oil corporations that had been plundering the wealth of Venezuela. The US government, as a surrogate for big oil around the world, also took issue with Chavez. Maybe he was no friend of big oil and the US, but he did good things for his country and his loss will be mourned by millions of ordinary citizens there.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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Venezuela's 'Comandante' Hugo Chavez dies - World News


Venezuela VP: Chavez's cancer was an 'attack' by his enemies - World News


Hours before Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez died, his second-in-command accused enemies of giving him cancer and announced the expulsion of two U.S. diplomats for an alleged plot to destabilize the government.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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As expected, a liberal Rep mourns. Sadly, I'm sure there are more idiots to follow suit.


Democrat Congressman from the Bronx:



Jose E. Serrano @RepJoseSerrano



Hugo Chavez was a leader that understood the needs of the poor. He was committed to empowering the powerless. R.I.P. Mr. President.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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The funny thing is that we hardly know anything about him. The oh so objective Western media decide who is a dictator and who is not, and they filter the news accordingly. That doesn't always match reality, though. While it is ok to not be sad about the death of someone one doesn't even know, I think cheering the death of a human being is a bit embarrassing...
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Chavez's successor in Venezuela: Nicolas Maduro

After Chavez's Dec. 11 cancer surgery, Maduro stepped up his public appearances to fill the void, providing regular updates on the president's condition, calling for unity among allies and lambasting the opposition.

Maduro also showed how he could attempt to continue Chavez's socialist-inspired project. Speaking at one December rally, he vowed in vague terms to maintain policies that have angered the country's leading business federation, Fedecamaras, which was long at odds with the president.

"We aren't going to give dollars to Fedecamaras. What we're going to give them is pains, headaches with this Bolivarian Revolution," Maduro shouted, his voice hoarse. "I swear to you ... we're never going to betray the people of Venezuela!"

Just an indicator on how he treats some of the productive citizens of Venezuela. Won't be expecting much CHANGE.
They will have new elections in 30 days, and there are other options, including the opposition guy Henrique Caprilesille, who advocates the Brazilian model. He is center-right.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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When Chavez came into office, his country was among the poorest and the people among the worst-suffering of the world, in spite of its immense oil wealth. Chavez changed the rules and cut malnutrition by 50%, reduced infant mortality, and dramatically increased education of the populace. He gave real hope and opportunity to millions of his citizens. In the process he made enemies of big US oil corporations that had been plundering the wealth of Venezuela. The US government, as a surrogate for big oil around the world, also took issue with Chavez. Maybe he was no friend of big oil and the US, but he did good things for his country and his loss will be mourned by millions of ordinary citizens there.

countries at a stage of development venezuela was - is at , need a leader like chavez who engages in large scale wealth redistribution , such was the extremity of inequality in that country , the only way to bring the country forward was to go for ther jugular of foreign corporations who had corruptly gained access to the nations resources by doing back room deals with venezuelan former leaders who soon skipped it to miami to join the wealthy elite minority from venezuela who pre 98 bought the countries leaders

chavez was a demagogue but he was the right man for venezuela and who that nations people elect is no business of the usa
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