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Old 03-06-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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If the bag fell out of someone's purse most would return it to the owner. If it were just on a street with no one around, probably most would take it rather than bring it to the police. I would pick it up and wait to see if there is a notice about lost cash with a clear description and if so, then return it to the owner.

But we are talking about actively using the system to get something for nothing when the alternative is to do something productive with your life. Most want to do something, to contribute to society in some way. Those who can do so and choose not to are losers and leeches. Most people know some of these and have some as family members. The type that tries to mooch off mom and dad and then steal the inheritance. Anything to not have to work for a living. Most people aren't this awful.
So, in other words your morals are not absolute. You would keep the money if you in your determination though it was OK to. Like maybe the money was a drug dealer's or something like that.

People who abuse social programmes, make false insurance claims, cheat on their taxes are all the same when it comes to rationalizing their OWN lack of moral absolutes.

I know a man who thinks of himself as the most honest man there is. He routinely does work under the table and is able to rationalize it away somehow.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'll answer this. I'm saying that the welfare check should not get a boost every time the woman spawns. Why the hell are poor people who need food stamps and welfare having children?
People living in poverty all over the world tend to have kids unless their government prevents them from doing so. Communist China is the only nation that comes to mind that imposes a one child policy in urban areas. This includes forced abortion and stelizition of those who abuse. It's unlikely this would go over well, in the U.S.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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People living in poverty all over the world tend to have kids unless their government prevents them from doing so. Communist China is the only nation that comes to mind that imposes a one child policy in urban areas. This includes forced abortion and stelizition of those who abuse. It's unlikely this would go over well, in the U.S.
No benefits given to parents for their children is the simple answer. The kids will not starve, there is simply too much food and opportunity here for that, the parents will be forced to work by necessity. For parents who do let their kids starve out of selfishness or laziness, child protective services will take them. Ultimately the birthrate will go down and resources will not be spread as thin to support them.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: North America
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No benefits given to parents for their children is the simple answer. The kids will not starve, there is simply too much food and opportunity here for that, the parents will be forced to work by necessity. For parents who do let their kids starve out of selfishness or laziness, child protective services will take them. Ultimately the birthrate will go down and resources will not be spread as thin to support them.

What world do you live in? Child Protective Services?? Ask Rilya Wilson exactly how that prevented her from being murdered by her foster mother.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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India undeveloped-then why do thousands of Americans go to India every year for medical treatment as US has very expensive medical care system? 100% Indians have access to public transportation and can afford college education-whats the ratio here in USA? In that sense-health care, transportation, education-USA is undeveloped country.
Whoa !

25% of the population is illiterate.
15% have some elementary school education.
7% graduate highschool.
Even fewer have any college.

Quality of education is very poor compoared to the developed world.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Typical. Attack the source when you don't have facts.
What is the source of all the information? Only some of it is census driven..

Is the Heritage Foundation conducting door to door polls in urban ghettos and rural areas to ask people if they have Plasma TVs?
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: North America
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What is the source of all the information? Only some of it is census driven..

Is the Heritage Foundation conducting door to door polls in urban ghettos and rural areas to ask people if they have Plasma TVs?

No, the drones do that.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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What world do you live in? Child Protective Services?? Ask Rilya Wilson exactly how that prevented her from being murdered by her foster mother.
Are you saying child protective services is ineffective? I would agree, we can reform that next, or let the churches provide for foster kids.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:38 PM
 
Location: North America
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Are you saying child protective services is ineffective? I would agree, we can reform that next, or let the churches provide for foster kids.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Most churches do not have the resources to provide for foster kids.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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No benefits given to parents for their children is the simple answer. The kids will not starve, there is simply too much food and opportunity here for that, the parents will be forced to work by necessity. For parents who do let their kids starve out of selfishness or laziness, child protective services will take them. Ultimately the birthrate will go down and resources will not be spread as thin to support them.
The U.S. could, effective xx/xx/xxxx :

Cease increasing the welfare amount for any new births, and

Cap # of dependents as it relates to ETIF credit, and

Eliminate the child deduction on kids born after the effective date, regardless of income.
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