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Old 03-06-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Well said Texan. And with that in mind, they have absolutely no business meddling with our political system either since their allegiance nor patriotism is not to the well being of the country or its people.
So people should give up free speech rights because they hire a worker or two overseas?

Wow.

Maybe if Congress didn't try and tax and regulate every aspect of business life in Amerika then companies wouldn't feel the need to lobby them so much.

Just a thought.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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So people should give up free speech rights because they hire a worker or two overseas?

Wow.

Maybe if Congress didn't try and tax and regulate every aspect of business life in Amerika then companies wouldn't feel the need to lobby them so much.

Just a thought.
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Reality Check: Effective U.S. Corporate Tax Rate Much Lower Than Most Other Developed Nations

This is constant refrain from Republicans, who then blame the supposedly high U.S. corporate tax rate for discouraging job creation. But as we’ve noted time and time again, while the U.S. has a high statutory corporate tax rate (meaning the rate on paper), U.S. corporations actually pay incredibly low taxes due to the ever-proliferating loopholes, credits, and deductions in the tax code and the use of overseas tax havens.

U.S. corporate taxes that were actually paid (the effective rate) fell to a 40 year low of 12.1 percent in fiscal year 2011, despite corporate profits rebounding to their pre-Great Recession heights. The U.S. both taxes its corporations less and raises less in revenue from corporate taxes than its foreign competitors...

Reality Check: Effective U.S. Corporate Tax Rate Much Lower Than Most Other Developed Nations | ThinkProgress
I wouldn't mind at all if you had to put up with pollution, toxic runoff, poor quality food and whatever else business and industry does when not regulated, as long as I and others that know better were exempt from being affected by it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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lols. The Soviet Union was the most ineffecient manufacturing country in world history. It aint even close.
Stalin turned the USSR from a backwater nation to a world power. How did he do it? The same way China is becoming so filthy rich: slavery. You can do a lot when you can work your people to death.


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Henry Ford revolutionalized Western Civilization. Can't think of someone that had a more positive impact on the world in the last several hundred years than Henry Ford.
Ford was a Nazi sympathizer who hated unions, blacks and felt that all women belonged in the kitchen.

This is the main of the century, whose ideas made several nations the bastions of equality that they are (Denmark, Sweden, etc)
Eduard Bernstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Thanks for the laugh though. I work in manufacturing. I eliminate waste from processes. I study people like Ford. Next time I'm giving or taking a class I'll be sure to pass along your analysis. It will get a great laugh from everbody.

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Through the brutal process of collectivization he destroyed the autonomy the Russian peasant had enjoyed since the revolution, and he led an industrialization drive that has had few historic parallels. The human costs of both these initiatives were monstrous. It was during industrialization that the Soviet Union became truly totalitarian.
Stalin and the Drive to Industrialize the Soviet Union - Student Pulse

Stalin was the industrial master of all time...worthless tyrant and mad man, but industrialist none the less. China is the same way, only it is funded by Apple and HP so it "can't be that bad"
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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And you can forget about any foreign country hiring wokers here. Say goodbye to the Honda plant in Ohio, the VW plant in Tennessee, the mercedes plant in Alabama. And all the American jobs that go with them.

First, you ignored what I said: I was suggesting America use tariffs and a F.T.T. (financial transaction tax) to punish those who send jobs overseas, and give tax cuts to companies that increase their payrolls here. It would be hard to "go out of business" if you get tax cuts for hiring people here in the US

Second, Somalia is THE MOST LAISSEZ FAIR NATION ON EARTH. No taxes, no regulations, do whatever you want. Also there is Hong Kong, Laissez fair heaven on Earth with low taxes and little regulations..oh...wait:
Hong Kong's poorest living in 'coffin homes' - CNN.com

Laissez Fair economics are just as idiotic as totalitarian socialism. Both are miserable failures that need to be dumped into the ash heap of history right next to Reagan's ashes and Thatcher's penis.

In the end, business needs to be steered by the republic in the right direction. Shut an economy always works out best: Social Democracy works
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:44 AM
 
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First, you ignored what I said: I was suggesting America use tariffs and a F.T.T. (financial transaction tax) to punish those who send jobs overseas, and give tax cuts to companies that increase their payrolls here. It would be hard to "go out of business" if you get tax cuts for hiring people here in the US

Second, Somalia is THE MOST LAISSEZ FAIR NATION ON EARTH. No taxes, no regulations, do whatever you want. Also there is Hong Kong, Laissez fair heaven on Earth with low taxes and little regulations..oh...wait:
Hong Kong's poorest living in 'coffin homes' - CNN.com

Laissez Fair economics are just as idiotic as totalitarian socialism. Both are miserable failures that need to be dumped into the ash heap of history right next to Reagan's ashes and Thatcher's penis.

In the end, business needs to be steered by the republic in the right direction. Shut an economy always works out best: Social Democracy works
One other thing is that they don't have enforceable laws.

From what I've been told by one poster, conservatives support laws and justice, but not regulations.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:01 AM
 
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One other thing is that they don't have enforceable laws.

From what I've been told by one poster, conservatives support laws and justice, but not regulations.

Let me explain the conservative line of "thinking": A law that says you can't exploit workers, can't throw toxic waste in a river, can't fire a woman for becoming pregnant and can't use slave labor in China: A regulation.

A law that says you can't smoke weed in your own home, can't have an abortion, can't have sex with whatever adult you want to behind close doors and can't easily immigrate to the USA: A law

"Regulation" is a big, fancy was of saying "law that applies to a corporation." When they say "no regulation" what they mean is "law and order does not apply to the rich."

They want socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor as well as anarchy for the corporations and fascism for the rest of us.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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They are also CUTTING jobs while grabbing more $$$ for themselves. Corporate hacks are a bunch of hypocrites. And they can't understand why the last election didn't go their way.
The last election DID go their way! Every election goes their way!

When you own both teams, you can't lose!!
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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Never said they should.

I'm a free market guy.
What's with this "free market" fantasy that seems to occupy the minds of so many?

When you have the power of a monopoly on money creation, and said money in circulation can never equal or surpass the amount of debt in an economy because every piece of money created is attached with interest from the point of its creation then you do not have a "free market". What you have is a criminal enterprise of fraud where the pyramid has to keep growing at an increasing rate until the system self destructs or has to reset.

Think the first Jaws movie when Quint, before he's lunch, pushes the boat's engine too hard trying to lead the shark to shallow waters so he can drown it. The motor gives out, they're stranded in the water, and poor Quint becomes the shark's last meal before Brody blows him up.

And no, you don't need a gold or silver backed currency. You can have the government create interest free money based on the need of the economy and the population growth rate. Just like Benjamin Franklin and others did in the original colonies of the United States.

But as long as you have private individuals creating money for most of the world's countries for a profit you do not and can not have a free market. There's nothing "free" about it. The money its self cost money to use or else it could not be in circulation in the first place.

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Old 03-07-2013, 03:52 AM
 
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Let me explain the conservative line of "thinking": A law that says you can't exploit workers, can't throw toxic waste in a river, can't fire a woman for becoming pregnant and can't use slave labor in China: A regulation.

A law that says you can't smoke weed in your own home, can't have an abortion, can't have sex with whatever adult you want to behind close doors and can't easily immigrate to the USA: A law

"Regulation" is a big, fancy was of saying "law that applies to a corporation." When they say "no regulation" what they mean is "law and order does not apply to the rich."

They want socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor as well as anarchy for the corporations and fascism for the rest of us.
Well, I do not know what they want.


...But from what I've read a market without regulation and minimal taxation is supposedly the most free market.
Supposedly it allows all people to have greater amounts of income and freedom to do business...


...At the same time, it's very easy for people with money to take advantage of the people without it...
...After all we did have a time when children were working, and they weren't able to finish schooling...
...This held our country back...
...Is it right for people to take advantage of others?
...All I know is that people don't like that.
...And that's why they needed unions to have a more enjoyable life...
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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Ah, there are not many businesses opened in China. American companies use Chinese labor, but they are still run by Americans and based in the US.

And China is run by the Chinese communist party and is still a ruthless dictatorship.



Yes, because slave labor is easier to come by in China and you can use dirty water to bottle your product, unlike America which has those pesky things like worker's rights and health regulations.
Are you trying to beat around the bush?

Are you still advocating the concept that China is a true form of communism. From Merriam Webster -- a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed...
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