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Old 03-11-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It's because of them damned commies.


Serious answer.
A seriously stupid and very outdated one, too. Blaming commies on America's problems went out with the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: southern california
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concepts like better and worse need to be defined.
for those that have it together these are the good old days.
for those that limped by sponging off family and government, rough times are here and getting worse.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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A seriously stupid and very outdated one, too. Blaming commies on America's problems went out with the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
Not stupid at all, we wouldn't have many of the problems today if it weren't for the DAMN COMMIES.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Like your alternate universe of having a Republican POTUS 28 of the last 50 years and still attempting to place all the blame for our woes on one side of the aisle? Judging by the amount of whining you do about Obama I'm guessing you surely think the POTUS is an important part of the equation.
Yes, because liberals and conservatives aren't the same in general. It's too simplistic to just view it as who the President is. You have to look at what is being taught in schools, what is presented in the media, what ideas are in popular entertainment, what values are being promoted to the public, what types of things are being encouraged and discouraged in public policy, etc.

Liberals are more than willing to point to corporate abuse, Republicans in congress, systemic racism and sexism, stereotypes in the media, etc when it suits them. But when it comes to anything they might have instigated they refuse any all responsibility. They're all about changing attitudes and the culture, but nothing that ever goes wrong in that culture is ever the result of their changes.

The consequences of your actions are all on you, not just the ones you like. And you don't get to point to the good things to excuse the bad.

Liberals' intentions are often good, but their actions have hurt society. And they just don't want to admit it. Instead they deflect and insult and blameshift.

As a conservative I am fully ready to admit that crony capitalism results in a rich elite at the top and struggling people at the bottom. As a liberal are you ready to admit that a welfare state causes struggling people to stay at the bottom instead of working their way up? If you're a typical liberal, no you're not. You'll just call me names.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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And what color are those states?
You have read the correlation between religious communities and teen pregnancy, right?

//www.city-data.com/forum/28616273-post22.html

You're the one who made the comments I responded to.
Utah is a red religious state with lower teen pregnancy rates.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I would say that killing the unborn, traditional marriage for gays, legalizing some mind altering drugs and advocating for illegal invaders in our county is a lot more than center. It is a far left ideology.
So then surely, people of your type viewpoints back during the early 1930's, would have thought it was far left to relegalize alcohol, allow biracial marriages, and have equal rights for Blacks.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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This isn't a blue/red issue, it's about economics and demographics. The highest teen pregnancy states are poorer and for the most part have high black and hispanic populations, who have significantly higher teen pregnancy and birth rates than whites.
Teen Pregnancy Rates By State | LiveScience

The top 10 teen pregnancy states are NM, MS, TX, NV, AR, AZ, DE, LA, OK, GA.
The bottom 10 lowest teen pregnancy states are IA, NE, UT, WI, ME, MA, ND, MN, VT, NH.
But conservatives will only tell you that it is far, far worse for a state to have a higher abortion rate than it is for a state to have a lower rate of unwed teen pregnancy. However, the conservatives complain pretty damn loud how teenage pregnancies lead to more single mothers on welfare.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well, conservatives are supposed to be moral theoretically.
So conservatives preachers are acting in a very moral way when they refuse to marry a black and white couple?
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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As a conservative I am fully ready to admit that crony capitalism results in a rich elite at the top and struggling people at the bottom. As a liberal are you ready to admit that a welfare state causes struggling people to stay at the bottom instead of working their way up? If you're a typical liberal, no you're not. You'll just call me names.
Too true. Libertarian liberals - those who are accepting of other viewpoints and admit mistakes - are rare. It is very refreshing to meet one who admits areas where their system is flawed. When conservatives admit problems in their own party they get jumped on as being divided or falling apart. Maybe some of us just want to look at the big picture and correct what we don't like. If liberals did that, called out their Nut Jobs and stopped calling every one different from them awful names and mocking people, we might be able to solve something.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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So conservatives preachers are acting in a very moral way when they refuse to marry a black and white couple?
Apart from discrimination, and other societal ills, conservatives have good qualities.
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