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Yet you guys think it was all a conspiracy b/c the parents weren't weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth during the whole ordeal. Sorry, losing one's child is an emotional experience. If we want to put emotion aside, we can all think, like the "true believers" that a few dead children is the price we pay for the unfettered right to own a gun.
Yes. Its the price we pay. And its far from unfettered.
Freedom is not always pretty my friend.
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The "emotionally charged argument" is one meant to discredit an argument without actually saying anything to discredit it.
moving on, no one said this would have stopped Adam Lanza, however in the future, it could. It could stop those who will try to do the same because they would not have been able to buy those clips at all. none of that matters on a state to state level as you could just travel across state lines to get something, it needs to be a nation wide thing, not a state by state one.
Im not sure why the argument from those who support less gun control is always that this hurts the good guys. how so ? if the clips are no longer manufactured then criminals would no longer be able to get them.
Wrong, you would no longer LEGALLY be able to buy new ones. Hundreds of thousands or more already exist. You plan on stopping manufacturing of these clips in other countries? Think they will be hard to ship? Not at all.
We have to get around of this twisted thinking. Why are we beating around the bush and trying to ban things that a few bad people use while the vast majority of the users have no issues with? Why don't we fix the problem...the criminals.
This is so dang simple, and I don't know why so many people don't get it. Our laws mean NOTHING to a CRIMINAL. That's WHY they are a CRIMINAL! If they obeyed the laws, they would be like us.
If a crazed loon is wants to shoot up a building full of people, they will do it no matter what the laws are.
Felons owning firearms, shooting people, robbing, car jacking, raping, stabbing, assaulting, etc is already illegal. All you want to do is give them more laws to break and strip me of my constitutional rights.
I'm dead serious, if you don't like the constitution, move. Get out of this country.
To the liberal gun grabbers I recommend you dont watch this video. You are not going to like what this man has to say..a real man who has faced more pain and trauma in his life then you have. He talks about things like personal responsibility, parenting, civility.. Things that Ive found most liberals simply can't relate to.
Hey, I hate to be a city-data politically correct nazi but, it's Newtown, not newton!
So let me get this straight, liberals post videos and statements from hundreds even thousands of parents who call for better gun laws and republicans and conservatives dismiss it. You post a video about one parent and all of a sudden we should except it ?
That last line shows exactly what is wrong with right wingers in america. Anytime someone disagrees with your point of view, instead of you engaging in conversation or simple realizing that everyone doesnt think like you,you attack the person.
IMO, I would rather listen to someone has experienced the tragedy rather then "thousands" who haven't.
I don't know how we stop Adam Lanza. That was in the past and can't be undone. I'm saying that making guns as available as candy and continuing to do so forever will lead to more Adam Lanzas, without any question. Who knows how many people we can save? You don't know, I don't know an exact number. But we do know that more will die if we do nothing, and it will take a lot of time too, because the country is awash in guns right now. The continued flow of guns into the hands of so-called "law-abiding citizens" who will someday crack wide open is what I'm hoping to change.
You not having as much fun shooting things on the weekends is less of a concern to me than the collateral damage you're willing to accept for your fun. And I do not accept the specious "he's not a law-abiding citizen after he killed people" argument. Of course, my opinion is of no interest to anyone posting on this thread, so I think I'm done here. No worries, gun fetishists, your blood pressure is safe today!
This is a perfect example of why I don't listen to people like you.
Some have opinions different then yours and instead of engaging in adult conversation, you lash out, insult and run.
I will however pose a question to you. Yous ask, "Who knows how many people we can save?"
According to the FBI guns are used between 1.5 and 2.5 MILLION times a year for protection.
How many lives HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED? And how many MORE lives will be saved?
That's right. So we have to accept a little "collateral damage", e.g. 26 dead people, including 20 children. In addition, Franklin didn't say that.
What about the people who have shot armed intruders in the homes who have "large" magazines. Would YOU like to be limited to 10 rounds when they have 20, 30 or more? Are you OK with that "collateral" damage?
I have experienced the tragedy of my civil rights being taken away here in California.
Frankly, the voice of those who you wish to violate is just as import as the voice of those who have already been violated.
Why is it that only the shooter has rights and not the people leaving the schools,malls,theaters,etc. in body bags? What became of their "unalienable right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result.
The last assault weapons ban did no noticeable good, so let's do it again, only this time we will expand the definition of "assault weapon", and it WILL work.
Oh, yeah, and we will add "high capacity magazines" to the ban, to make it even more effective!
right!
I can only assume the people who believe this silliness also believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Sandman!
I won't shout back at you. You're the one whose grasp of logic and common sense is completely nonexistent.
He was law-abiding until AFTER he killed those kids. That's the freakin' point. Your position is: Give every man, woman and child a gun, and then after they kill someone, wail about how crazy they are. To hell with the actual victim, family and friends, right? As long as the guy was law-abiding until he wasn't, make sure his Second Amendment rights are protected.
Guns for all.
This is pretty easy to understand, but I know this post will be followed by 6,749 others making exactly the same mindless, illogical point that you just did. Keep repeating it and maybe it makes sense someday, right?
In fact he was mentally unstable, had tried to purchase guns and been rejected and his mother had tried to get him committed, and failed to do so because the laws have been changed in such a way, that a person has to be acting out violently BEFORE they can be committed.
This would not have happened, if the mother could have properly gotten her son treatment for his mental instability that she knew was there and was trying to deal with, only to be blocked by LAW.
He was NOT a law abiding citizen until he started killing people. He was crazy and everyone knew it but the LAW prevented anyone from getting him treatment.
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