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Old 03-15-2013, 12:40 AM
 
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I've linked you to the law.
The law says nothing about foreigners. And the next time you try to refer to it, it will STILL say nothing about foreigners.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:42 AM
 
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:43 AM
 
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You may want to pretend it doesn't exist. But of course, that's why we keep kicking your ass in court.
Cite the court case that refers to the "alien" law you keep trying to pretend means something other than what it says.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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Only on their own territory.
The US State Department doesn't say that. I'll repeat it again, because you STILL haven't caught on...

"dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws"
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Not the least of which is foreign citizenship.
You keep saying that like its meaningful. It's not.

As long as Obama is a natural born US citizen, he can have as many foriegn citizenships as countries are willing to grant him.

He still cannot be a foreigner.

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Jay suggested excluding foreigners by instituting the 'natural born citizen' clause. The Framers accepted the suggestion, and the clause was ratified in the Constitution.
And the massive gap between is entirely invisible to us. So we have exactly no visibility into the intent of the Framers (of which Jay was not one).

Certainly , when Hamilton was writing in the Federalist papers he brought up foreign intrigue in the election of the President, and explained how the Constitution protected us from it. But he never mentioned the NBC requirement for that purpose. Instead, he mentioned only the electoral college.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The law says nothing about foreigners.
Yes it does. It calls them "aliens," because all US laws only care about foreigners when they are on US soil.

I know you get it. You just can't bring yourself to admit it though. It's just too darn inconvenient to your prejudice.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:50 AM
 
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Cite the court case that refers to the "alien" law you keep trying to pretend means something other than what it says.
What the hell are you talking about now?
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:53 AM
 
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The US State Department doesn't say that.
They don't say a lot of things that are still true. But here's what the Supreme Court says about jurisdiction.

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The jurisdiction of the nation within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute. It is susceptible of no limitation not imposed by itself. Any restriction upon it, deriving validity from an external source, would imply a diminution of its sovereignty to the extent of the restriction, and an investment of that sovereignty to the same extent in that power which could impose such restriction.

The Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon,7 Cranch 116 181
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See? Only on their own territory.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:56 AM
 
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You keep saying that like its meaningful. It's not.
Indeed it is. The Constitution requires a 'natural born citizen,' NOT a born dual citizen or born multiple citizen.

Even the US State Dept specifically states that "The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law

...dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws
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Jay recognized the problem, as did the Framers, as does the US State Dept. A born foreign citizen simply is NOT eligible to be POTUS.
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:03 AM
 
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Yes it does. It calls them "aliens," because all US laws only care about foreigners when they are on US soil.
False. The US State Dept indicates otherwise. Those born dual nationals are not aliens but they ARE foreigners. They were born with foreign citizenship.

And your implication that a born foreign citizen POTUS can never leave the country to travel abroad because we never know when another country's laws may trump US laws when a POTUS born with conflicting allegiances is abroad is so absurd that it actually proves my point.
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