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Old 03-11-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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Pompus ingrates.

Another constitutional scholar.

Pompous. Pomposity. Pomp and Circumstance. Elgar. Hope and Glory!
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: England
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Jeez, what's set this thread off? We're quite fond of the old girl...... Take a look at you-tube at the celebrations for her 60th anniversary last year.Love 'em or hate 'em, they're great survivors.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: NC
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Actually, under the "republican form of government", the president is the highest ranking servant. One step DOWN in status from the lowest American sovereign.
Unfortunately, most Americans "volunteered" into the democratic form of government, became subjects, and embraced "Voluntary" national socialism (via FICA), so all manner of abuses have arisen.
If ever the American people withdraw consent, and restore their individual sovereignty, the subsequent collapse of the partisan wracked Federal empire will reverse the order of precedence.
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

Sovereignty itself is, of course not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
IN short, the individual American is a sovereign, a social equal of any other monarch, until he surrenders that sovereignty. That's why Americans don't bow nor kneel to any other monarch, nor should they accept titles of nobility from other monarchs.
You should probably not be citing dicta from cases and cases that are bad law in an attempt to prove a point.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Jeez, what's set this thread off? We're quite fond of the old girl...... Take a look at you-tube at the celebrations for her 60th anniversary last year.Love 'em or hate 'em, they're great survivors.
I figure most of the Anglos who were sick of Royal pains in the arse left that side of the world long ago and passed their personal opinions on the subject along to their children, children's children and so forth, which is why we Amerikuns just don't see what (if anything) makes them so damned special.

Anyway, you can keep 'em... just keep 'em away from us.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Which is exactly what the OP is talking about. Congratulations - have a donut.
Bequeath the royal pastry and deliver it to my chambers immediately, kind footman.

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Old 03-11-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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Who would ever want to call anyone "Your Majesty"? That whole thing is a joke. Pompus ingrates.
Ashton Kutcher, for one.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:05 PM
 
Location: England
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Anyway, you can keep 'em... just keep 'em away from us.
The old girl works real hard for an 87 year old. Most days she is travelling round England opening some new hospital or unveiling a statue or two. She is one of the richest people in the world, she could just put her feet up, and scream to a servant, "bring me a whiskey!"

Everywhere I go, I see plaques saying Queen Elizabeth opened this building on ........ 1972, 73, 74, 92.... whatever. Doesn't have to do it. Could just say, "for gawds sake, I'm 87 years old. Go find someone else to do it." Gotta admire that dedication.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Ashton Kutcher, for one.

Who is that?
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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The old girl works real hard for an 87 year old. Most days she is travelling round England opening some new hospital or unveiling a statue or two. She is one of the richest people in the world, she could just put her feet up, and scream to a servant, "bring me a whiskey!"

Everywhere I go, I see plaques saying Queen Elizabeth opened this building on ........ 1972, 73, 74, 92.... whatever. Doesn't have to do it. Could just say, "for gawds sake, I'm 87 years old. Go find someone else to do it." Gotta admire that dedication.

She does it so she can get her name on plaques. If she didn't show up would the hospitals never open? Would the statues never be unveiled? It all seems quite useless. Cept for Brits that keep wanting to feel inferior. I guess though Brits do know their role in the grand scheme of things. That'll always be one step below Americans who chose freedom over bondage.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:55 PM
 
Location: England
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She does it so she can get her name on plaques. If she didn't show up would the hospitals never open? Would the statues never be unveiled? It all seems quite useless. Cept for Brits that keep wanting to feel inferior. I guess though Brits do know their role in the grand scheme of things. That'll always be one step below Americans who chose freedom over bondage.
Gotta admit the world loves watching the Royals when they get married! Americans love it!! Seriously, I know they're a joke...... but it's a good one.

Nice to know Americans are more free than us. I visit America a couple of times a year. I take a good look. Yep, you sure are free.
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