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Given that the Democrats claim any cuts that aren't on the military are draconian and brutal, I take this with a grain of salt.
No, I can't. Keeping a security net for senior citizens does not mean keeping the medicare system the way it is.
It's interesting to me that Democrats voted against Medicare Part D when a Republican proposed it because it was too expensive. So why don't they introduce a proposal to repeal Part D?
Not anything you would define as common sense. You just said you want to keep medicare the way it is. That isn't common sense. Medicare is failing.
And you know that how? If you really want to change minds on this issue, you should avoid petty insults.
And do what instead? Let the debt grow until it crushes the entire nation? Get up there with Nero and play the fiddle while Rome burns?
This is an issue that affects everyone, yes. But your stance on it is not bipartisan. You list libertarians there but I saw nothing in your post that addressed the fact that the constitution does not permit medicare. So being "bipartisan" means accepting your position, no?
Well there you go again. Had you looked even a moment you would see that those are not my statements at all. Those come from the article i started the thread about and pasted the link for it.
I have insulted no one.
The fact that you have typed this disqualifies you from being taken serious. If it needs to be explained to you the importance of operating within a budget and that this is not a joke or something to be taken lightly, then you are profoundly ignorant on matters of fiscal prudence.
You have been brainwashed by the never ending crap coming from the right. Who says governments HAVE TO operate within either a balanced or surplus budget. I'm thinking that is what you ment not just "Within a budget" with a huge deficit.
If what these "Sky is falling" twerps say is true in the least the USA would have been flat on it's back totally broke and in a major depression a long time ago.
The entire right wing preoccupation with deficit spending is not about the money in the least but it's all about WHO gets the money. Therefore you see the sad sight of those greedy bustards trying to cut every single government programme that assists regular Americans while at the same time increasing an already insane defence budget.
If they had a single ounce of integrity and really believed their own fables the very first thing they would do would to eliminate their own GOLD PLATED pensions and cut their own pay by 50%, LOL that would be the day I would actually believe they at least believed their own propaganda.
All the whole thing is really is a scheme to divert more and more of the nations wealth into the pockets of those who already have most of it anyway.
If theycared at all like they claim to they would galdly pay MORE TAX and eliminate the problem completely but OF COURSE they wouldn't think of supporting their country in this self identified "CRISIS", would they??
They and their ideas are nothing more than malignant parasites, sucking the life blood out of the nation.
It certainly is "class before country" in all their ideas and ways. They truely are the anti patriots of our time. They claim to love their country but they actually hate it. You just have to listen to any of their pronouncements and you hear it loud and clear. What they actually love is a system that is stacked against everyone else and allows them to get more and more and more. They call themselves, "Job creators". That is the worst of the worst bad jokes ever told. They would sell out any number of American worker and ship the jobs to any third world hell hole if it bought them another Bentley or house in Palm Beach. They will sit on trillions of dollars and refuse to invest it in American jobs as a punishment for workers who just want to make a living. They will and have fought tooth and nail for any and all social reforms that make life better for the majority of Amerians. Just check out the history, they have been on the wrong side of history 100% of the time as long as they have existed. That is the only possible national outcome of a paty that represents a very samll % of the people. They have always fooled a substantial % of people they don't represent with their never ending lies, propaganda, fear mongering and the rest of their black bag of tricks.
Not so. The GOP is standing firm and won't move toward or even discuss revenue/tax increases or the closing of corporate tax loopholes. We can all read and interpret news and reports. If you listen to right wing rhetoric, you come away with the opinions that are typed in your response. Obama has always said he favors a balanced approach, which some people seen to miss.
We don't miss it, we just don't believe it. His balanced approach is to make only the cuts he wants, and get the tax increases he wants. When he says "balanced" it comes across as him being reasonable and willing to work with others. But it's not. He doesn't mean balanced as in bipartisan. He just means you give me the taxes I want and in return I'll make the cuts I want.
The lackey Ryan is just setting the budget low and to the Right as a negotiation tactic. So ultimately the budget will be set low and the GOP can claim victory.
It's like bidding $10,000 for a property appraised at $500,000, it's insulting, a waste of time, and it forces Dems to do somersaults just to pass a sensible budget that a majority voted for.
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You have been brainwashed by the never ending crap coming from the right. Who says governments HAVE TO operate within either a balanced or surplus budget. I'm thinking that is what you ment not just "Within a budget" with a huge deficit.
If what these "Sky is falling" twerps say is true in the least the USA would have been flat on it's back totally broke and in a major depression a long time ago.
The entire right wing preoccupation with deficit spending is not about the money in the least but it's all about WHO gets the money. Therefore you see the sad sight of those greedy bustards trying to cut every single government programme that assists regular Americans while at the same time increasing an already insane defence budget.
If they had a single ounce of integrity and really believed their own fables the very first thing they would do would to eliminate their own GOLD PLATED pensions and cut their own pay by 50%, LOL that would be the day I would actually believe they at least believed their own propaganda.
All the whole thing is really is a scheme to divert more and more of the nations wealth into the pockets of those who already have most of it anyway.
If theycared at all like they claim to they would galdly pay MORE TAX and eliminate the problem completely but OF COURSE they wouldn't think of supporting their country in this self identified "CRISIS", would they??
They and their ideas are nothing more than malignant parasites, sucking the life blood out of the nation.
It certainly is "class before country" in all their ideas and ways. They truely are the anti patriots of our time. They claim to love their country but they actually hate it. You just have to listen to any of their pronouncements and you hear it loud and clear. What they actually love is a system that is stacked against everyone else and allows them to get more and more and more. They call themselves, "Job creators". That is the worst of the worst bad jokes ever told. They would sell out any number of American worker and ship the jobs to any third world hell hole if it bought them another Bentley or house in Palm Beach. They will sit on trillions of dollars and refuse to invest it in American jobs as a punishment for workers who just want to make a living. They will and have fought tooth and nail for any and all social reforms that make life better for the majority of Amerians. Just check out the history, they have been on the wrong side of history 100% of the time as long as they have existed. That is the only possible national outcome of a paty that represents a very samll % of the people. They have always fooled a substantial % of people they don't represent with their never ending lies, propaganda, fear mongering and the rest of their black bag of tricks.
If you have ever had to budget your personal finances or a small business' budget, then you would have an idea of how important it is. Greece is the perfect example of not managing finances well. I don't buy the plan as the answer either (Ryan's plan), but neither party is willing to do what it takes to make sure our budget is viable, realistic and doesn't strap the citizens of this nation. It is very real and both liberals and conservatives agree on this.
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You have been brainwashed by the never ending crap coming from the right. Who says governments HAVE TO operate within either a balanced or surplus budget. I'm thinking that is what you ment not just "Within a budget" with a huge deficit.
No more than you have been brainwashed by the neverending crap coming from the left.
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If what these "Sky is falling" twerps say is true in the least the USA would have been flat on it's back totally broke and in a major depression a long time ago.
The sky is falling. But it has a long way to drop. Just because it could take a decade for it to hit the ground, doesn't mean it isn't falling.
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The entire right wing preoccupation with deficit spending is not about the money in the least but it's all about WHO gets the money. Therefore you see the sad sight of those greedy bustards trying to cut every single government programme that assists regular Americans while at the same time increasing an already insane defence budget.
No, that's not the entire right wing perspective. That is some peoples' perspective in the right wing. Part of that neverending crap coming from the left is trying to paint all the right wing with whatever position they're against at the moment. One minute the entire right wing wants to slash spending, then another minute the entire right wing wants to spend billions in deficits on wars. Whatever you want to argue against at the moment you just claim "the right wing" wants it. Of course, then when you want to talk about how fractured the right wing is, you reverse course and nobody in the right wing can agree with each other.
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If they had a single ounce of integrity and really believed their own fables the very first thing they would do would to eliminate their own GOLD PLATED pensions and cut their own pay by 50%, LOL that would be the day I would actually believe they at least believed their own propaganda.
I don't have a gold plated pension to eliminate. That's just more stereotyping on your part.
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All the whole thing is really is a scheme to divert more and more of the nations wealth into the pockets of those who already have most of it anyway.
Which is a claim many liberals make while conveniently forgetting unions, AIG, Solyndra, GE, etc. You know, all the loopholes, favorable regulations, bailouts, and tax breaks they give to the wealthy people on their side of the fence.
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If theycared at all like they claim to they would galdly pay MORE TAX and eliminate the problem completely but OF COURSE they wouldn't think of supporting their country in this self identified "CRISIS", would they??
The typical liberal "if you don't want to solve the problem our way, then that means you don't want to solve the problem"
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They and their ideas are nothing more than malignant parasites, sucking the life blood out of the nation.
It certainly is "class before country" in all their ideas and ways. They truely are the anti patriots of our time. They claim to love their country but they actually hate it. You just have to listen to any of their pronouncements and you hear it loud and clear.
No, you don't hear that loud and clear. See, what the liberal does is when a conservative makes an announcement they hear what they want to hear from the announcement. When a conservative says "we want to lower taxes for everyone" the liberal reports that back as "conservatives want the poor and middle class to suffer while they reduce taxes on the rich"
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What they actually love is a system that is stacked against everyone else and allows them to get more and more and more. They call themselves, "Job creators". That is the worst of the worst bad jokes ever told. They would sell out any number of American worker and ship the jobs to any third world hell hole if it bought them another Bentley or house in Palm Beach.
Sounds like you're talking bout Jeffrey Imelt.
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They will sit on trillions of dollars and refuse to invest it in American jobs as a punishment for workers who just want to make a living.
Which is the liberal way of deflecting blame when they create a hostile business environment that discourages expansion.
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They will and have fought tooth and nail for any and all social reforms that make life better for the majority of Amerians. Just check out the history, they have been on the wrong side of history 100% of the time as long as they have existed.
Yes we have been on the wrong side of those who engage in authoritarianism, identity politics, social engineering, historical revisionism, bias in education, ignoring the constitution, enabling multigenerational welfare, public sector unions, political correctness, unrestricted abortion, and other such nonsense.
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That is the only possible national outcome of a paty that represents a very samll % of the people. They have always fooled a substantial % of people they don't represent with their never ending lies, propaganda, fear mongering and the rest of their black bag of tricks.
Yeah, the 55 million registered Republicans are all duped by the corporate elite but you know the truth. Sure thing.
If you have ever had to budget your personal finances or a small business' budget, then you would have an idea of how important it is. Greece is the perfect example of not managing finances well. I don't buy the plan as the answer either (Ryan's plan), but neither party is willing to do what it takes to make sure our budget is viable, realistic and doesn't strap the citizens of this nation. It is very real and both liberals and conservatives agree on this.
There is absolutely NO SIMILARITIES between the budget of a government and an individual or business budget. Another thing, Greece is not the USA and the results in Greece and the USA of the very same actions are vastly different. Firstly Greece does not even have it's own currency and so therefore in giving up an important aspect of Sovereignity also gives up a great deal of ability to make it's own decisions in economic matters.
National finances are just so different than personal or business that you can't draw any conclusions that because a action produces a cetain result in one it will in the other. For example. Let's say the US balanced it's books and began to pay down the debt. This could very well cause the USD to soar against other currencies making American exports too expensive and hurting further made in the USA. imports would become much less expesive and capture a bigger share of the market than they already have. It would also greatly reduce foreign investment in every aspect of the nations economy. It also could very well send interest rates soaring, thereby depressing all economic activity. I'm not saying it would do this I'm saying it could. Our Canadian economy grew in leaps and bounds when our currency went down to .65 USD.
If what the RWNJs say had any truth to it we would already see a great decline in the USD and we haven't.
WE would also see runaway inflation and we haven't.
We would also see a great increase in interset rates and we haven't.
WE would see great difficulty for the US government to sell their bonds at a low rate and we haven't.
Like I said before. It's all smoke and mirrors with the only goal in mind of diverting more of the national wealth to the 1 or 2%. It's just so freakin clear.
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