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Old 03-12-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Speaking of England, ask 1000 Brits if they want to trade in their healthcare system for the U.S. model.

I'd be willing to bet 800 of them would say no. Probably at least 80%.

I know my half brother would say differently, he died in a english hospital with a illness that was very treatable. he was just in his 70's and told they could not spare the needed treatments.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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gunpoint? confiscated?

not being a little overdramatic by any chance?
Naaaah... didn't you know that only liberals argue with emotions?
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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I know my half brother would say differently, he died in a english hospital with a illness that was very treatable. he was just in his 70's and told they could not spare the needed treatments.
In the end, unless you have unlimited funds, you're not going to get every treatment. It works this way here too. No American Health Care Insurance will approve every treatment even if there is a chance to save your life. Bottom line is money.

I lived in England, and had health care insurance (NHS). I live here without it. Life was easier in England as a result but I don't agree with universal health care. People should pay for their health.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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then how is it that the income tax is voluntary, but if you dont pay that voluntary tax, you go to prison?
You needn't pay income tax if you don't have an income - that is voluntary.

No one will point a gun at you either.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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I know my half brother would say differently, he died in a english hospital with a illness that was very treatable. he was just in his 70's and told they could not spare the needed treatments.
why didn't he go to a private hospital then?

they do exist you know (in UK)
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You needn't pay income tax if you don't have an income - that is voluntary.

No one will point a gun at you either.


according to the income tax system, if the income tax is voluntary, nobody should be forced to pay any tax if they feel they dont want to.

end of story. they have had 100 years to change it and they still have not.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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why didn't he go to a private hospital then?

they do exist you know (in UK)
It's kinda funny looking at the winners and losers of the NHS.

The super rich are unaffected. They would go to private regardless and get the best treatment.

The poor are definitely benefited.

The middle-class, a toss up.

The upper middle class are worse off because those private clinics inflated in price beyond their means.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I can say I've travelled extensively all through Europe; not just the large cities, but well off the "beaten paths." I've spent as long as 6 months at a time there, hiking, driving, taking the train, and flying. I've met literally hundreds of persons from around the world. Moreover, many I still keep in contact with. Having said all of that, here is my opinion on Europe:

The countries in Europe are beautiful. In most places (not Athens) it is clean, fairly modern, and efficient. The history of Europe just cannot be beat, nor can the sight "right around the corner."

Having said that, I find the people to be, well, rather "snobby." Especially Brits. They have a superiority complex, which leads them to believe they are "better" then Americans. Not just better, but smarter and more well rounded. American's, to them, are fat and lazy. They believe their system of socialization is far superior to the American way of life and their pure hated, no pure fear, of guns is astounding. Most European's forget their own violent pasts.

Now having said all that I just said? I'll be in the UK in May :-0
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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It's kinda funny looking at the winners and losers of the NHS.

The super rich are unaffected. They would go to private regardless and get the best treatment.

The poor are definitely benefited.

The middle-class, a toss up.

The upper middle class are worse off because those private clinics inflated in price beyond their means.
we can see from this post that the NHS is a very utilitarian system.

Nearly everyone wins or is unaffected by this socialised medicine system.

and of course, the upper-middle still have the choice, private or public.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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All of them? The Swedes?
of course
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Shechita,” as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania;
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