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Old 03-15-2013, 08:12 AM
 
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Yeah.
It's just as good as a guess as the guess stating that the creator of the universe has always been.
... and vice versa

 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:12 AM
 
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A self-made universe?
That is the scientific theory, "Big Bang", ie nothing exploded and created the universe.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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Yeah.
It's just as good as a guess as the guess stating that the creator of the universe has always been.
It's not a guess. That's what He told us as recorded in the Bible. Some of the confusion is that wedon't understand that time and space are themselves creations. Take away time and what you have is eternity. Take away space and you have infinity. God exists apart from time and space which are His creations.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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Extraterrestrials caused it, we are an experiment. Now they are standing by, watching as we destroy ourselves.
That sounds almost like an L. Ron Hubbard story.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Yeah.
It's just as good as a guess as the guess stating that the creator of the universe has always been.
It's not a guess. That's what He told us as recorded in the Bible. Some of the confusion is that we don't understand that time and space are themselves creations. Take away time and what you have is eternity. Take away space and you have infinity. God exists apart from time and space which are His creations.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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I have never ever denied evolution.

As far as I'm concerned, I believe in the theory of evolution.

Evolution does not explain creation.

One must be created in order to evolve.
One what?
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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It's not a guess. That's what He told us as recorded in the Bible. Some of the confusion is that we don't understand that time and space are themselves creations. Take away time and what you have is eternity. Take away space and you have infinity. God exists apart from time and space which are His creations.
If the creator communicated with man, why are there conflicts with religious texts?
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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That is the scientific theory, "Big Bang", ie nothing exploded and created the universe.
I don't think that the Big Bang theory is that "nothing" exploded.

The Big Bang theory is that massive amounts of matter were so condensed that the pressure caused an explosion which dispersed the matter.

There is a companion idea that this is cyclical in nature, that the attractive characteristic of matter will at some point overcome the momentum of expansion, and that the universe will start to contract, as contraction occurs, it will gain momentum, the universe contracting at ever faster speeds, causing matter to be become increasingly condensed at the center until, boom!---the cycle begins again.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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That is the scientific theory, "Big Bang", ie nothing exploded and created the universe.
That's not any version of the Big Bang theory with which I am familiar.

The theory is that an infinitely small, infinitely dense singularity exploded. A singularity is certainly more than "nothing."
 
Old 03-15-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It's not a guess. That's what He told us as recorded in the Bible.
You do understand, I hope, the complete worthlessness of using the Bible to prove itself. Right?

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Originally Posted by Bideshi
Some of the confusion is that wedon't understand that time and space are themselves creations. Take away time and what you have is eternity. Take away space and you have infinity. God exists apart from time and space which are His creations.
Why not just apply Occam's razor, eliminate the superfluous step of an eternal god, and accept an eternal universe?
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