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Old 03-15-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Gravity can and has been tested.

Ask Isaac.

G*m1m2/r^2

Newton's law of universal gravitation is really just a theory.

While it is generally accepted as a practical law, it is not testable.

Unless of course in the last 5 minutes people can suddenly measure, create and observe gravity and prove that Newtons laws apply everywhere...

There are also OTHER theories of gravity...

In fact, there is already evidence that calculations using Newtons theory do not match observed behavior like in the case of Mercury. In many cases general relativity calculations DO match the observations.

Just because schools teach it is a law doesn't actually make it one.

Christopher Columbus discovered America first too!

 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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Yes, mankind of 500 years ago was much shorter and had far better eyesight.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The problem with your suggestion is we do know how the world works and how species differentiate and change into new species over time in response to changing environmental conditions. Not teaching this just leaves the children ignorant and subject to mythical religious nonsense.
Since this does not and has bever occurred, what you are advocating for is feeding children misinformation.

Species change internally, but they do not change into a completely different species.

It..just..does...not..happen.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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"Evolution" is unproven and therefore it remains a theory, and a ridiculous one at that! It shouldn't be taught as fact. It should have scant mention, and should be presented only as a theory.

It has become a tool of the left which is used to ridicule and discredit Christianity and Judaism for the single purpose of promoting atheism.
Just like the old "flat earth" theory, eh.

Sad that your dogma has cauterized your mind against learning.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Newton's law of universal gravitation is really just a theory.
No, it's a law, not a theory.

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While it is generally accepted as a practical law, it is not testable.
It most certainly is.

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Unless of course in the last 5 minutes people can suddenly measure, create and observe gravity and prove that Newtons laws apply everywhere...

There are also OTHER theories of gravity...

In fact, there is already evidence that calculations using Newtons theory do not match observed behavior like in the case of Mercury. In many cases general relativity calculations DO match the observations.

Just because schools teach it is a law doesn't actually make it one.
Yes, Einstein's work put a finer point on Newton's.

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Christopher Columbus discovered America first too!
When he sailed the ocean blue in 1492...

That notion has evolved over time, too.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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Just like the old "flat earth" theory, eh.

Sad that your dogma has cauterized your mind against learning.
So far you've come up with about a dozen different ways of telling people they are wrong and approximately zero ways of proving it.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Without any evidence to back this up, you're very bold in your beliefs.
Ther evidence is abundant and overwhelming. What is absent, is your willingness to abandon your evidenceless dogma and accept fact.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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WOLF to DOG.

And that hat was coated in gunk.
AGAIN, KINDS. The word is KINDS.

Let's go to the Bible.


Genesis 1: 24-25

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

A kind is most likely not a species, but instead something of a family.

Hence, there was a dog kind, as well as a cat kind.

The dog kind on the ark, once released, had all the genetic material within its DNA for every dog on this planet today. This kind was likely a very medium compliment of the range of traits for each type of gene. Natural selection selected those traits according to environment where the dogs spread out. Hence, the different wild dogs came about.

Man simply made use of artificial selection and selected the traits already found within dogs from the original dog kind. No new genetic information was created. It was simply selected for by people. It's why we have the dogs we have today. While most domesticated dogs descend from the wolf, not all do. Some species come from other wild dog species.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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Ther evidence is abundant and overwhelming. What is absent, is your willingness to abandon your evidenceless dogma and accept fact.
I've explained scientific basis for what I've stated, if that will appease you. You keep using words like "dogma" and the like.

However, in the end, science simply backs up God's Word. God's Word is all that matters anyhow. He is the final authority.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Species don't change over time.
Do you consider humans and chimpanzees different species?

Because we have absolute, incontrovertible proof that we share a common ancestor. Let me know if you're interested in a brief discussion regarding endogenous retroviruses.

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Originally Posted by Sound of Reason
Mutations can be beneficial, but the mutations, in and of themselves, do not add new genetic material.
Absolutely, completely false.

First off, the vast majority of non-silent mutations are, at the moment of mutation, neither harmful nor beneficial. Instead, they merely add to the genetic variation of the population. This is (of course) the raw material of evolution from which natural selection can select during any environmentally induced period of evolutionary change. And without the constant background noise of point mutation to replenish the variation lost in previous selection, most species would lack the ability to survive major selective events.

Second, one of the most common macro-mutations is the "gene duplication." This is a replication error in which a segment of DNA is replicated more than once during the process. If the segment contains an entire gene, then the new genome has an additional gene that can be adapted in any direction while the original is retained for its original function. This (for example) is how African monkeys, apes and humans obtained trichromatic vision some (IIRC) 40 million years ago or so. We can even identify which of the original two opsin genes was replicated because of the junk DNA that was also replicated at either end.

And, in case you need the math, two genes contain twice the information one does. So a gene duplication absolutely adds new genetic material.

The rest of you post is equally wrong. But I'm too bored with it continue the vivisection.
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