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I would love to be a Libertarian but due to our state and country caters to a two party system and lobbyists its hard for a Libertarian to make a difference this country needs.
When I was young I was a republican just short of joining Log Cabin Republicans but that party has become extreme right and is imploding itself.
So I have been a democrat for the social issues but they are ticking bomb to themselves too with free for all spending.
I think with the grid lock we have in Washington it time for more people to be Liberarians and have a balance 3 party system.
I have always believe in fiscal conservatism and some what but not all the time socially liberal on issues.
Since republicans have the Log Cabins the gay libertarians we will be called the Purple House.
And they complain that gay marriage is illegal. Which it aint. It's perfectly legal anywhere in the U.S.
And they compare themselves to the blacks fighting for Civil Rights or Jews during NAZI Germany. lols. Like not getting the feds to recognize your marriage is equivalent to either of those.
Victims.
Is gay marriage legal in Wisconsin? Can two gays legally get married in Wisconsin & have the government look at them, nod & say yes, we recognize your marriage? Now, is hetero marriage legal in Wisconsin? If a hetero couple moves to say Idaho, will their hetero marriage done in Wisconsin be recognized & will they receive all the benefits of marriage in Idaho? Your doublespeak is astounding.
Is gay marriage legal in Wisconsin? Can two gays legally get married in Wisconsin & have the government look at them, nod & say yes, we recognize your marriage? Now, is hetero marriage legal in Wisconsin? If a hetero couple moves to say Idaho, will their hetero marriage done in Wisconsin be recognized & will they receive all the benefits of marriage in Idaho? Your doublespeak is astounding.
Until we get rid of marriage benefits altogether, the only answer is for the state to recognize gay marriage equally, and extend to them the exact same legal recognition. Getting the state out of marriage altogether is a separate issue, it's unlikely to happen because of the supposed benefits to society that come with legally binding people together as family. The financial benefits could go easily(many would disagree, I'm sure) but there are next of kin issues, there are many reasons people want their spouse legally recognized as family.
Is gay marriage legal in Wisconsin? Can two gays legally get married in Wisconsin & have the government look at them, nod & say yes, we recognize your marriage? Now, is hetero marriage legal in Wisconsin? If a hetero couple moves to say Idaho, will their hetero marriage done in Wisconsin be recognized & will they receive all the benefits of marriage in Idaho? Your doublespeak is astounding.
You are the one doing the doublespeak.
Legal means that it is not prohibited by law. Is gay marriage in Wisconsin prohibited by law? No. So it is not illegal.
What you are are saying is that certain states recognize some contracts and other states don't. Same as I am saying. That doesn't mean the act (or contract) is illegal.
It's amazing that people think that because the government doesn't give their blessing ons something it magically becomes illegal. Pathetic. Wanting govt approval of one's life.
Legal means that it is not prohibited by law. Is gay marriage in Wisconsin prohibited by law? No. So it is not illegal.
What you are are saying is that certain states recognize some contracts and other states don't. Same as I am saying. That doesn't mean the act (or contract) is illegal.
It's amazing that people think that because the government doesn't give their blessing ons something it magically becomes illegal. Pathetic. Wanting govt approval of one's life.
Gay marriage is BANNED in Wisconsin. Definition of ban/banned: : to prohibit especially by legal means <ban discrimination>; also: to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of <ban a book> <ban a pesticide>
Until we get rid of marriage benefits altogether, the only answer is for the state to recognize gay marriage equally, and extend to them the exact same legal recognition. Getting the state out of marriage altogether is a separate issue, it's unlikely to happen because of the supposed benefits to society that come with legally binding people together as family. The financial benefits could go easily(many would disagree, I'm sure) but there are next of kin issues, there are many reasons people want their spouse legally recognized as family.
Given that "if you subsidize something you will get more of it"
Given that married people are less often in poverty
Given that a single household uses less resources than two households and married couples are more likely to live together than unmarried couples
Given that children statistically do better in two parent households
Given that married people are statistically happier and healthier
I see a good argument can be made for financial incentives to get married.
It's more because the GOP is so virulently anti-gay, that gays end up being Democrats by default.
It's not "the GOP" which is anti-gay; only its Traditionalist/Fundamentalst wing, who are easily demonized by Lefty ideologues, who seek to lead their following around by the nose every bit as much as do the leaders of the Fundamentalist know-nothings
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Like it or not, libertarianism is still a fringe political movement -- not just for gays, but for everyone. You might as well ask "why aren't more people libertarian?". The idea that gays gravitate toward liberalism because we want "affirmative action" is just ludicrous.
The Libertarian Party's founders' first major dispute was with the Traditionalists seeking to control the usually campus-centered activist groups from which many Libertarians emerged after reading Rand, Rothbard, Greenspan, Milton Friedman and the like in the late Sixties. Can you name a single instance in which the LBGT movement crossed swords with another prominent group with the Democratic coalition??
It would appear to me that you are the one who is content to let other people make your decisions for you. While I pesonally don't see why anyone would want to ingest a stupefactant, my local Liberatian activist group has a quite cordial association with NORML, for example.
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And besides, many self-proclaimed libertarians are actually stealth Republicans.
Not so much "stealth-Republicans" as "anti-Democrats": we understand clearly which of the two major parties has very few positions compatible with ours.
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Gay marriage is BANNED in Wisconsin. Definition of ban/banned: : to prohibit especially by legal means <ban discrimination>; also: to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of <ban a book> <ban a pesticide>
I didn't realize this was so complicated for you.
Here is a website that lists some places that you can have a same-sex wedding in Wisconsin.
So, even if it is banned it isn't enforced as the government knows what goes on in these places. They aint hiding it. Which means it aint banned or illegal.
Not so much "stealth-Republicans" as "anti-Democrats": we understand clearly which of the two major parties has very few positions compatible with ours.
I find this seems to confuse number of liberals. "why aren't with us? the republicans oppose you on a, b, and c"
And it's like "yes but you oppose us on d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, and p"
It's more because the GOP is so virulently anti-gay, that gays end up being Democrats by default.
Like it or not, libertarianism is still a fringe political movement -- not just for gays, but for everyone. You might as well ask "why aren't more people libertarian?". The idea that gays gravitate toward liberalism because we want "affirmative action" is just ludicrous.
And besides, many self-proclaimed libertarians are actually stealth Republicans.
My stance has evolved dramatically over the past few years.
Knock yourself out marrying whomever you want, how many you want and at where you want.
It will not devalue my marriage one bit.
You will see the GOP in its current form evolve into the Libertarian party.....the momentum cannot be stopped.
When you have politicians saying "yes, you have my support to marry whomever you want, as long as the taxpayer is kept out of it." and "you have my support to do what you want with your body, as long as you keep the taxpayer out of it." and "have as much unprotected sex as you want, just leave the taxpayer out of it." you'll vote for them.
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