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Old 03-16-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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FBI snooping tactic ruled unconstitutional

Under the Patriot Act the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been ordering telecom records to be handed over, without such requests having to be disclosed.

The court said that tens of thousands of NSLs are sent out every year, ordering that recipients never mention the requests to customers.

Granted they have 90-days to appeal. But at least with this ruling the FBI can't order Telecoms to, hand over recordings without telling the customer, and all without a court order. So it is a tiny step for state's rights and personal freedom of speech.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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Ha ha! Good News! Will they become Public Record?
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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Yes, this is good news. Luckily the courts have been coming down on the right side of things more often than not.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Ha ha! Good News! Will they become Public Record?
The way I read it, the FBI could comply with the Constitution in a number of ways.

The FBI could run each 'order' by a secret judge;

or the FBI could simply stop ordering that all phone taps be secret [allow Telecoms to tell if they wish to];

or instead of using this as an opportunity for data-mining, they could do investigations, and only tap phones when they have Probable Cause that a crime is being committed.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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Yes, this is good news. Luckily the courts have been coming down on the right side of things more often than not.
"the courts". What are you reading? ONE judge made a ruling. Do you have any idea how many times A judge has been overruled by higher courts?
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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"the courts". What are you reading? ONE judge made a ruling. Do you have any idea how many times A judge has been overruled by higher courts?
We have had quite a few stories on the courts lately. From throwing out Bloomberg's ban on big cups to the administrations argument that they do not have to discuss their drone programs, the courts have been doing a pretty good job.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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FBI snooping tactic ruled unconstitutional

Under the Patriot Act the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been ordering telecom records to be handed over, without such requests having to be disclosed.

The court said that tens of thousands of NSLs are sent out every year, ordering that recipients never mention the requests to customers.

Granted they have 90-days to appeal. But at least with this ruling the FBI can't order Telecoms to, hand over recordings without telling the customer, and all without a court order. So it is a tiny step for state's rights and personal freedom of speech.
This will last up to the point where all the tax records for the judge gets reviewed, all his accts, etc etc etc.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The courts. If we are going to have courts rule on the constitutionality of Federal actions and executive orders, these rulings need to be applied BEFORE the government goes into action. For the most part, the lines are pretty clear, as to powers given to LE in investigations.
Thanks to the "Patriot act" the whiskey has been watered down. It doesnt require much probable cause to empower LE to toss your house, car or person anymore. It's spilled over from the anti terrorist roots and sunk tendrils into everything now.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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I won’t believe that the FBI is on the right track again until Bush era holdover Director Robert Mueller finally resigns. He's been in the office since a week before September 11th, 2001 even though the FBI director is only supposed to serve for no more than 10 years. The United States doesn’t need nor can it ill afford another J. Edgar Hoover and for this reason we must insist that Robert Mueller step down and allow someone to head the FBI who actually believes in the liberties guaranteed to all US citizens by The Constitution.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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I won’t believe that the FBI is on the right track again until Bush era holdover Director Robert Mueller finally resigns. He's been in the office since a week before September 11th, 2001 even though the FBI director is only supposed to serve for no more than 10 years. The United States doesn’t need nor can it ill afford another J. Edgar Hoover and for this reason we must insist that Robert Mueller step down and allow someone to head the FBI who actually believes in the liberties guaranteed to all US citizens by The Constitution.
You don't really expect the guy that believes he can kill American citizens with no oversight or due process to care whether or not someone in the FBI does a little trampling himself do you?
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