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Old 08-13-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: North America
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The State movements to secede from the Union show an increasing dissatisfaction with the central control of America by Washington DC.

We are seeing increasing defiance and dissatisfaction of a government people feel is no longer representative of their needs or in touch with reality.
It is my opinion that this is due to the centralization of power in Washington which is direct contrast to the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

Every usurpation of power by the Federal Government, is a breach of the agreement between the people and the government, and adds to the disenfranchisement of the citizens.
It is also causing a division in the citizens that is now so visceral and full of hatred and mistrust that we no longer see ourselves as a united country.
The only way I see to address these issues is a concerted effort to decentralize America and to return the powers illegally usurped by the Federal Government to the States.

We need to resist the people who would impose their view of America on everyone else. What works for people is cities, does not necessarily work for people in rural America and vice versa. What works for one State does not necessarily work for another, and yet we have a micro representation of people in Washington with questionable knowledge and ethics deciding blanket policies for everyone as if there are one single solution for every problem. It is insanity, and it is going to cause increasing amounts of hate and mistrust in our people.

Another call for secession, how fun.

That brown guy in the Whitehouse just scares the living **** out of RWNJs, doesn't he?
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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How is sending billions overseas helping me?
How is giving benefits to illegal immigrates helping me?
How is sending kids to failed schools schools to be indoctrinated helping me?

What prevents civil unrest is the fact that most of us are armed..
The billions sent overseas are an investment in international relations. It helps you because the aid helps to develop the economies of third-world nations (thus creating a market abroad for American goods), it helps you because the aid lends itself to stabler political situations which makes the world a safer place, it helps you because the aid allows third-world nations to develop resources (oil, rare metals) which they can then sell back to the United States. Instead of thinking of it as charity, realize that it is an investment.

The first public schools were created because businessmen had a need. They needed employees with basic skills like reading, writing and basic math. The intention of the first public schools was to provide employers with employees who would reliably have these skills. That's why initially, schools' basic curriculum was just the "3 R's", and schools didn't typically extend to high school. As a society, our needs have grown beyond the "3 R's", and public schools struggle to provide a standardized education where children have mastery of reading, writing and much more than basic math, as well as an understanding of history, government, and science, and a very basic-level familiarity with world history and current events, literature and music. An entry-level knowledge of a second language is deemed helpful as well. The majority of schools aren't failing, and the basic level of knowledge we are talking about is hardly "indoctrination".
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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I was always under the impression that Senators, while elected by the people, don't represent the people but rather the State, which is why each state has two. OF course the State indirectly represents the people to some extent.

Isn't the house the only true representation of the "people?"

And isn't it set up that the States control the lion's share of the power, while the people, through elections set the tone of the State?


Lol, I can't remember if I thought that up, read it in some paper somewhere or what.

I do know that we are supposed to be decentralized with the Feds performing very limited actions. Of course this was trounced on the second we gave up the Articles of Federation and accepted the Constitution.
The Federal Government was constructed to spread power equally among the Federal Government represented by the Executive Branch, the States represented by the Senate, and the People, represented by the House of Representatives.

During the industrial revolution, the oligarchs like JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Carnegie supported movements that increased their control and domination over government by way of centralization of power in Washington.

They accomplished this goal by the passage of three major pieces of legislation. The first was the Federal Reserve act in which they stripped Congress of its power to control the nation’s money, and made the government a debtor to the Federal Reserve and private banks.

The second was the 16th amendment by which they made the American people's property collateral for the debts of the Federal Government.

The third was the 17th amendment in which they stripped the States of their third of the power within the Federal Government.

None of these pieces of legislation were ever legally passed or ratified.
Ask yourself why would any State legislature vote to ratify a piece of legislation which stripped them of all power at the Federal level?

They would not.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Another call for secession, how fun.

That brown guy in the Whitehouse just scares the living **** out of RWNJs, doesn't he?
funny how you only see his color, yet you call us racist, isn't? The federal government over the last 100 years has done many things it is not permitted too. that is why we are in favor of grow that states power and greatly limiting the Federal governments power.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The billions sent overseas are an investment in international relations. It helps you because the aid helps to develop the economies of third-world nations (thus creating a market abroad for American goods), it helps you because the aid lends itself to stabler political situations which makes the world a safer place, it helps you because the aid allows third-world nations to develop resources (oil, rare metals) which they can then sell back to the United States. Instead of thinking of it as charity, realize that it is an investment.

The first public schools were created because businessmen had a need. They needed employees with basic skills like reading, writing and basic math. The intention of the first public schools was to provide employers with employees who would reliably have these skills. That's why initially, schools' basic curriculum was just the "3 R's", and schools didn't typically extend to high school. As a society, our needs have grown beyond the "3 R's", and public schools struggle to provide a standardized education where children have mastery of reading, writing and much more than basic math, as well as an understanding of history, government, and science, and a very basic-level familiarity with world history and current events, literature and music. An entry-level knowledge of a second language is deemed helpful as well. The majority of schools aren't failing, and the basic level of knowledge we are talking about is hardly "indoctrination".
Really? so how is the whole creating overseas markets for American goods going?

As for schools, why not have a voucher system? clearly that could not be worse then what we have now.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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So you think the losing party should make all the rules? Do you think in a Republican controlled state that Democrats should be making all the rules because they are the minority party? If you want to see your party in charge then your party needs to do a better job at winning elections.
How when the media is openly in favor of the opposition?
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:55 PM
 
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And 60 years of throwing billions at these problems have made them worse


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No 'twist' needed. Spending money on those that are less fortunate prevents civil unrest and spending money on those other people's education builds a more productive and prosperous nation, which you ultimately benefit.

Last edited by boner; 08-14-2013 at 12:29 AM..
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How when the media is openly in favor of the opposition?
Blaming the media is a bad excuse.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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So you think the losing party should make all the rules? Do you think in a Republican controlled state that Democrats should be making all the rules because they are the minority party? If you want to see your party in charge then your party needs to do a better job at winning elections.
Hmmm... so tell me. How did the democratic party do in the 2010 elections in the house and governors races?? Yeah, the republicans are the only ones having a problem with their message..
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:34 AM
 
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That is witty and clever and im sure you will get alot of reps from your liberal friends. While you summarized and paraphrased his post very well you totally dodged the point




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It is called Cost of Living. SF is 7 miles by 7 miles and surrounded by water and is a city that is in high demand. Cincinnati is a city that is surrounded by land and doesn't have the same desirability that SF has. Often times one makes more money in more desirable cities to offset the cost of living.

If one is relying solely off Social Security, the best suggestion would be to find a cheaper city to live in than SF. It has nothing to do with what is more liberal or less liberal which both cities you mentioned are liberal cities.

So basically you wrote a really long post to explain that SF is a very expensive city to live in....which anyone who knows anything about SF would of told you "Duh."
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