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Since involuntary servitude is banned by the 13th amendment, any "compulsory" duty or obligation derives from consent. Which means that enrollment and participation in FICA / Social Security is 100% voluntary.
What would happen to the nation if a majority withdrew from participation in "the program"?
Since involuntary servitude is banned by the 13th amendment, any "compulsory" duty or obligation derives from consent. Which means that enrollment and participation in FICA / Social Security is 100% voluntary.
What would happen to the nation if a majority withdrew from participation in "the program"?
Taxation is legal, social security is constitutional, and 75% of Americans like social security. Its why neither political party wants to touch it.
All and all, the numbers for social security isn't that hard to fix. Raising retirement age on newborns to 70 would balance the program out. I say do it to folks my age, soon to be 34.
It isn't involuntary servitude. By your definition, all taxation without direct personal impact is involuntary servitude, which is an asinine definition.
Every argument presented or conceived of by the original poster has already been thought of, made, and disposed of. Review the page Idiot Legal Arguments for this. Idiot Legal Arguments Page 1
The government of the United States will continue to enforce its laws, including its tax laws, as it has enforced other laws.
The government declared it legal that it can take money from us and spend it on whatever it chooses without our consent, so it must be so.
Why not make s.s. voluntary and those who think its a swell plan can continue onward?
Taxation without representation is what we are told we went to war for in 1776.
However, if you live in the borders of one of the 50 states, you have representation. You may bot have enough to outweigh 75% of Americans, but you got your say. The government does lots of things I don't consent to, that I never got a vote for. But I have my representation.
Since involuntary servitude is banned by the 13th amendment, any "compulsory" duty or obligation derives from consent. Which means that enrollment and participation in FICA / Social Security is 100% voluntary.
What would happen to the nation if a majority withdrew from participation in "the program"?
To make your contention plausible, you have to qualify "withdraw" from paticipation. Are you suggesting that a person would not participate in working for an employer as not to have fica and ssi removed from their pay?
Other than drug dealing, there are not that many lucrative... off the grid... employment opportunities. One could live in their mother's basement and not work and live off her SSI.
Every argument presented or conceived of by the original poster has already been thought of, made, and disposed of. Review the page Idiot Legal Arguments for this. Idiot Legal Arguments Page 1
The government of the United States will continue to enforce its laws, including its tax laws, as it has enforced other laws.
After a cursory review, the link shows no evidence that FICA is mandatory.
Ergo, no rebuttal of the basic premise has been made.
FICA is voluntary.
What would happen if a majority of Americans withdrew from FICA is not an "Idiot legal argument", but a question.
[] Do not believe me.
You can write to the Socsec Administration office, and they will issue a form letter that plainly states NO LAW requires participation in FICA in order to work in the USA. However, one is ineligible for the "benefits" (entitlements) derived from that participation.
Non-participants are not obligated to pay an excise tax, for they are not engaged in a revenue taxable privilege. And if one has no "number" the Eye Are Us will not accept unnumbered forms. No law compels all Americans to get "a number".
The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax.' F. Morse Hubbard, Treasury Department legislative draftsman. House Congressional Record March 27th 1943, page 2580.
When a court refers to an income tax being in the nature of an excise, it is merely stating that the tax is not on the property itself, but rather it is a fee for the privilege of receiving gain from the property. The tax is based upon the amount of the gain, not the value of the property.' John R. Luckey, Legislative Attorney with the Library of Congress, Frequently Asked Questions Concerning The Federal Income Tax' (C.R.S. Report for Congress 92-303A (1992)).
The terms 'excise tax' and 'privilege tax' are synonymous. The two are often used interchangeably.'
- - - American Airways v. Wallace 57 F.2d 877, 880
"Where rights secured by the constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
Miranda v. Arizona 384 US 436, 491.
"A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution."
Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105, at 113 (1943).
An income tax is neither a property tax nor a tax on occupations of common right, but is an excise tax. The legislature may declare as 'privileged' and tax as such for state revenue, those pursuits not matters of common right, but it has no power to declare as 'privilege' and tax for revenue purposes, occupations that are of 'common right.'
Simms v Ahrens, 271 SW 720 (1925)
If one is not a participant in FICA, then one must inquire as to which revenue taxable privilege is involved that incurs an income tax on one's remuneration. If one is engaged in a privilege, one is a person liable for paying said tax.
Since involuntary servitude is banned by the 13th amendment, any "compulsory" duty or obligation derives from consent. Which means that enrollment and participation in FICA / Social Security is 100% voluntary.
What would happen to the nation if a majority withdrew from participation in "the program"?
Well I don't remember anyone asking me if I wanted to pay into the social security/FICA systems. Also I don't remember anyone asking me if I wanted to be forced to buy health insurance when I might not be able to afford it.
After a cursory review, the link shows no evidence that FICA is mandatory.
If it isn't mandatory, and you say people should stop paying it, then why won't you put your own beliefs into practice?
That you are here day after day trying to convince other people to become the standard bearer for your own cause shows how much you really believe in it. Lead by example, not cowardly hiding behind cannon fodder.
After a cursory review, the link shows no evidence that FICA is mandatory.
Ergo, no rebuttal of the basic premise has been made.
FICA is voluntary.
What would happen if a majority of Americans withdrew from FICA is not an "Idiot legal argument", but a question.
[] Do not believe me.
You can write to the Socsec Administration office, and they will issue a form letter that plainly states NO LAW requires participation in FICA in order to work in the USA. However, one is ineligible for the "benefits" (entitlements) derived from that participation.
Non-participants are not obligated to pay an excise tax, for they are not engaged in a revenue taxable privilege. And if one has no "number" the Eye Are Us will not accept unnumbered forms. No law compels all Americans to get "a number".
The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and privileges which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax.' F. Morse Hubbard, Treasury Department legislative draftsman. House Congressional Record March 27th 1943, page 2580.
When a court refers to an income tax being in the nature of an excise, it is merely stating that the tax is not on the property itself, but rather it is a fee for the privilege of receiving gain from the property. The tax is based upon the amount of the gain, not the value of the property.' John R. Luckey, Legislative Attorney with the Library of Congress, Frequently Asked Questions Concerning The Federal Income Tax' (C.R.S. Report for Congress 92-303A (1992)).
The terms 'excise tax' and 'privilege tax' are synonymous. The two are often used interchangeably.'
- - - American Airways v. Wallace 57 F.2d 877, 880
"Where rights secured by the constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
Miranda v. Arizona 384 US 436, 491.
"A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution."
Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105, at 113 (1943).
An income tax is neither a property tax nor a tax on occupations of common right, but is an excise tax. The legislature may declare as 'privileged' and tax as such for state revenue, those pursuits not matters of common right, but it has no power to declare as 'privilege' and tax for revenue purposes, occupations that are of 'common right.'
Simms v Ahrens, 271 SW 720 (1925)
If one is not a participant in FICA, then one must inquire as to which revenue taxable privilege is involved that incurs an income tax on one's remuneration. If one is engaged in a privilege, one is a person liable for paying said tax.
Well, they're called idiot legal arguments for a reason. Every single person who has tried them, including plenty of people who have claimed that the income tax is voluntary, has learned to their great cost that they were wrong.
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