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Old 03-21-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Obama spent millions of dollars in legal fees fighting to keep his US birth cert. locked up in Hawaii,.....
that's a birther myth. there is zero evidence that obama "spent millions of dollars in legal fees". the vast majority of the 202 birther cases obama hasn't even been a defendant:

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_yo...ASE%20LIST.pdf

of those he has been a defendant the birth certificate has never been required and in the MS ballot challenge proof of birth was supplied directly to the court from the HI department of health.

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...don't give me that BS.
you may want to revue the definition of BS.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Now Hannity isn't a birther. I guess there's a limit to even his craziness, but why is it that when the right claims Obama isn't a natural born citizen they're asking a very valid question and gosh of golly why doesn't
uhm...hannity has always said, that obama was naturally born in Hawaii, and it constitutionally quallified for the POTUS




simple, obama son of a USA CITIZEN (mom) was born in hawaii, and is a natual born citizen

cruz, born in canada, of a USA parent TRAVELING, is also a citizen...and constitutionally considered a naturally born citizen

mccain, born in US TERRITORY in panama, to USA parents is a natural born citizen


only the stupid birthers (started by democrats) think obama is a non-citizen
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Under US law at the time of his birth, Ted Cruz is a natural born US citizen and eligible for the Presidency. The relevant law is 8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth, specifically paragraph (g) which reads:
There you go again obfuscating the facts. The truth is Ted Cruz was not born a natural born Citizen. Nowhere in 8 USC § 1401do you see the words 'natural born Citizen'. It defines 'Citizen' only. A “Citizen” is anyone born of American Parents, or born in the territories of America. But a “Natural Born Citizen” is a child born with both parents being US Citizens. The “natural born citizen” is one who at birth has no natural allegiance to any other country.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Obama's mother was a US citizen, so is her son. Even if a woman gave birth to her son in another country, her son does not lose his birthright to US citizenship. The most that would happen is her son would have dual citizenship until age 21.

I think the birther claim is that Barack Obama's mother renounced his US citizenship and made him a citizen of Indonesia, with his step dad Soreto, or however you spell it.

Huge problem with that one is that the phrase is natural BORN. That can't change after you're born so if Cruz is a natural born citizen just because his mother was a citizen then Obama is a natural born citizen just because his mother was a citizen
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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only the stupid birthers (started by democrats)......
altho there were early birthers who were democrats ( most notably the PUMAs and phil berg ) the honor for starting birtherism goes to conservatives over on free republic:

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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has any source on the left questioned cruz's NBC status?
Slanthead seems to think so
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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These racist attacks against Ted Cruz are pathetic, we know why you really hate Ted Cruz.
Who's insulting Ted Cruz? This thread is about Sean Hannity and his saying one thing about Obama and then the complete opposite about Cruz

When discussing Obama he says you have to have been born in the United States. When discussing Cruz he says you don't have to have been born in the United States
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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There you go again obfuscating the facts.
And here you go again frantically trying to demonstrate something you have never been able to demonstrate.

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The truth is Ted Cruz was not born a natural born Citizen.
Even the Framers of the COnstitution would disagree. I refer you to the Naturalization Act of 1790 where they say different.

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Nowhere in 8 USC § 1401do you see the words 'natural born Citizen'.
Since there are only two kinds of US citizen (natural born and naturalized) it doesn't have to.

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The “natural born citizen” is one who at birth has no natural allegiance to any other country.
The United States Supreme Courts says, Bull****."
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Unfortunately Obama has already set precedence. He argued exactly what Cruz is now and won.

No he didn't. Cruz is arguing that he's a natural born citizen even though he wasn't born here, big difference
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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Obama's mother was a US citizen, so is her son. Even if a woman gave birth to her son in another country, her son does not lose his birthright to US citizenship. The most that would happen is her son would have dual citizenship until age 21.

I think the birther claim is that Barack Obama's mother renounced his US citizenship and made him a citizen of Indonesia, with his step dad Soreto, or however you spell it.
Somebody else may have pointed this out, but parents CAN'T renounce their children's US citizenship. Kids can only do it themselves, once they're within 6 months of turning 18 or older.
Can You Lose U.S. Citizenship? - Law and Daily Life
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