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2 ) Naturalization Act of 1790 "The Act also establishes the United States citizenship of children of citizens, born abroad, without the need for naturalization: "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens"
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The Naturalization Act of 1790 Was repealed 5 years later.
this is what started some of the stupid birthers stuff
How could it have started anything having anything to do with birthism when the birthers were off and running by March of 2008, and Breitbart didn't discover this biography until more than four years later?
More generally, why does birthism so often require a time machine?
Birthism becan in the early morning of March 1, 2008 on the right-wing blog Free Republic.
Even the Framers of the COnstitution would disagree. I refer you to the Naturalization Act of 1790 where they say different.
[quote] “And the children of citizens [PLURAL!]of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens" – Naturalization Act 1790.
If you go by that, Ted Cruz is not a natural born Citizen. He was born in a foreign sovereignty to a foreign father.
Even the Framers of the COnstitution would disagree. I refer you to the Naturalization Act of 1790 where they say different.
“And the children of citizens [PLURAL!]of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens" – Naturalization Act 1790.
If you go by that, Ted Cruz is not a natural born Citizen. He was born in a foreign sovereignty to a foreign father.
Well. . ."And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens"
1) I think your reaching: well i'm not the gramar police but children of citizen of the united states doesn't work, because there are multiple citizens. So isn't it saying that all citizens and not refering to a mom/dad relationship. Citizens of the united states (US) not (mom and dad)
2) This is an act. Was expanded in 1795. I take it to imply that ANY one born from a US Citizen would be natural-born. Regardless - the consitution beats acts. If Cruz goes to court . . .the ACT could get ruled unconsitutional OR the court could go with citizens refers to multiple citizen so therefore its consitiunal
Until there is a case. . .you really don't know what will happen in the courts for sure. I just don't see a lot of evidence that this issue will be a problem for Cruz. I think no one would put money behind him if they didn't think they were prepared to fight/win that battle.
1)So isn't it saying that all citizens and not refering to a mom/dad relationship. Citizens of the united states (US) not (mom and dad) .
No it is not saying that. Here is what Representative John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment, said on the House floor:
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Again, Cruz was born not within the jurisdiction of the United States. Also his father owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty, namely Cuba. He doesn't meet the traditional standard of being a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen that the presidential clause calls for. On the other hand, Obama doesn't either despite being born in the U.S.. His British National father also owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty, the United Kingdom. The British Act of 1948 governed his birth status.
From Obama's own campaign website in 2008:
"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
No it is not saying that. Here is what Representative John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment, said on the House floor:
Gong!
John Bingham had exactly nothing to do with the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.
Every time you lead that quotation (which also is not about the 14th Amendment at all) by labeling him as "the father of the 14th Amendment" you are trying to deceive your readers into thinking it is an authoritative statement on the meaning of the 14th's citizenship clause.
“And the children of citizens [PLURAL!]of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens" – Naturalization Act 1790.
If you go by that, Ted Cruz is not a natural born Citizen. He was born in a foreign sovereignty to a foreign father.
Wrong. [MOD CUT/insulta] The plural was required because the Congress was passing a law for more than one person. Amazing, huh?
Cruz is the child [SINGULAR] of a citizen [SINGULAR] of the United States born out of the limits of the United States. Therefore he is one of the children [PLURAL] of citizens [PLURAL] of the United States born out of the limits of the United States that the Framers considered as natural born citizen.
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