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Old 03-25-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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And you can say it doesn't all you like, and it doesn't make it true. Anybody can say anything they want but words don't count. Only the evidence makes it true or false. If the evidence shows that something prevents conception, then it is contraception. If the evidence shows that it operations after fertilization, then it is abortion. There is no close mindedness or anti-intellectualism there. It's just scientific fact.

Based on your articles it looks like Plan B should be allowed and Ella should not, pending further research. If a pharmaceutical company wants its product to be eligible for federal funding then it should produce evidence showing that its effect occur prior to fertilization.

That's not close minded, that is eminently fair.
The studies just confirm what was already known about plan B and will probably ultimately confirm that Ella does not work by affecting implantation either.

There is also evidence that IUDs produce effects that alter sperm and eggs and that the contraceptive effect is not due to interference with implantation.

Copper-T intrauterine device and levonorgestre... [Contraception. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

No, that is imposing your religious belief on the entire population. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that contraceptives work by causing abortions.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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I'm not a supporter of abortion. So, no, I don't favor/accept late-term abortions.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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The question was not about the legality, it's about late term abortions in general. Did you even read the link posted in the OP?
Yes, I read the link. This is talking about person who performed ILLEGAL abortions and killed babies that were alive after his procedure! It is NOT about legal abortions.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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No, that is imposing your religious belief on the entire population. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that contraceptives work by causing abortions.
1. I do not have any religious beliefs regarding abortion so no, it is not imposing my religious belief on the population.

2. Ella's own website states that it may work by preventing implantation. Emergency contraception (morning-after pill) available by prescription: ella® (ulipristal acetate) | ella reduces your chance of an unintended pregnancy after birth control failure or unprotected sex

So stop making unfounded assumptions about other people.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't believe it's covered FOR ANY REASON. They cover it for medical reasons but not to prevent pregnancy.
Well, you'd know more than she does, wouldn't you, since she works there and you don't? She told me they decided they couldn't really know whether someone was using it for BC or for health reasons, so they cover it for any reason.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:08 AM
 
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Well, you'd know more than she does, wouldn't you, since she works there and you don't? She told me they decided they couldn't really know whether someone was using it for BC or for health reasons, so they cover it for any reason.
I think the insurance company has codes that tell what a person is using meds for. If that hospital is not in compliance with the church the church will find out and they may make them take the word Catholic off their name. It's a huge job to investigate each hospital and it will take time. Most Catholic hospitals do comply with the church though.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I think the insurance company has codes that tell what a person is using meds for. If that hospital is not in compliance with the church the church will find out and they may make them take the word Catholic off their name. It's a huge job to investigate each hospital and it will take time. Most Catholic hospitals do comply with the church though.
The insurance company has codes but those codes are none of the employer's business. The employer has no right to know the employee's health history unless it affects the way the employee performs his job.

If the Church cannot comply with the law, perhaps it is time for it to divest itself of businesses that are not directly related to the practice of religion.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If the birth of the fetus would endanger the woman then an abortion should be considered at any point in the pregnancy.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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The insurance company has codes but those codes are none of the employer's business. The employer has no right to know the employee's health history unless it affects the way the employee performs his job.

If the Church cannot comply with the law, perhaps it is time for it to divest itself of businesses that are not directly related to the practice of religion.
True, that is why the Church does not want to get into it at all. Keep BC coverage that prevents pregnancies out of their coverage to begin with and there won't be any arguments about it.

If the Church ever divests itself of businesses that are not directly related to the practice of religion millions of poor people and all people will suffer. Jesus instructed His followers to go out into the world and help others, not to stay in a church all the time. Catholic Charities is the biggest charity in the world. So you want them to close down? REALLY
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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If the birth of the fetus would endanger the woman then an abortion should be considered at any point in the pregnancy.
Some will take mental health into consideration and that can mean anything. So the abortion can happen up until the day before the delivery date.
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