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Old 03-21-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Let's be realistic. It's not like the student didn't know what kind of person the professor was before signing up for the class. If he had a problem with it, he should not have signed up for that class.
No. The student should have the ability to take a class in a subject that interests him or her regardless of who the teacher is without the threat of having an aspect of their faith mocked and disrespected. And this opinion is coming from someone who does not follow any organized religion.

This is liberal garbage at its worst. I double dare the school to do the same excersise with Mohammed or Allah written on the paper. That's the point here.

And you know what. I'll bet if they did it that way, the student in the article still would not have participated because he has more class than that.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The student would have done well to have used the exercise as an opportunity to speak to the importance of the Jesus and the Good News in U.S. culture. The exercise is actually a rare secular invitation to do so. Not surprising that the student couldn't have seen that, given the number of people on this thread that also cannot do so.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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The student would have done well to have used the exercise as an opportunity to speak to the importance of the Jesus and the Good News in U.S. culture. The exercise is actually a rare secular invitation to do so. Not surprising that the student couldn't have seen that, given the number of people on this thread that also cannot do so.
Well, proceed then.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:18 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Just to be clear, the student was suspended from the class. Not from the school.

Being suspended from the class is going overboard. The professor should have just given him an 'F' for class participation for refusing to participate.


yep, the student could have also voided the check that paid for the class as well. more than one class I had in college that you did not have to have fully paid until 50% of the way through the course.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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No. The student should have the ability to take a class in a subject that interests him or her regardless of who the teacher is without the threat of having an aspect of their faith mocked and disrespected. And this opinion is coming from someone who does not follow any organized religion.

This is liberal garbage at its worst. I double dare the school to do the same excersise with Mohammed or Allah written on the paper. That's the point here.

And you know what. I'll bet if they did it that way, the suspended student still would not have participated because he has more class than that.
I agree that the student should be allowed to take classes that interest him/her but they shouldn't take a professor they disagree with. This student knew the professor beforehand. It's not some random adjunct professor. This is a published professor at the university. At a university, when you sign up for a specific professor, you read their published work to see what you're getting involved in. If you don't desire to study under a particular professor, you choose another professor. It's that simple. This particular professor was very honest about what a arrogant/ignorant person he was in his published work. The student shouldn't have been surprised.

It's like going into the military and refusing to shoot the rifle at war. There's no surprises here.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:25 PM
 
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It's like going into the military and refusing to shoot the rifle at war. There's no surprises here.
So....... you are saying that many classes are as much about indoctrination as education. Whether you admit it or not, that is what you just outlined in succint detail.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:35 PM
 
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So....... you are saying that many classes are as much about indoctrination as education. Whether you admit it or not, that is what you just outlined in succint detail.
Some are some aren't. It's a college classroom. It's biased. But you know that before you walk in. That's why only 20-30% of your college education occurs in the classroom. The rest occurs outside of the classroom.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Well, proceed then.
Sharing the Good News is meant to be undertaken with joy. You must not be Christian if you think it is appropriate to engage someone in evangelism in response to a petty test, such as the one you were just presumptuous enough to issue.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:45 PM
 
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Sharing the Good News is meant to be undertaken with joy. You must not be Christian if you think it is appropriate to engage someone in evangelism in response to a petty test, such as the one you were just presumptuous enough to issue.
Coming from someone that was raised Southern Baptist, that is the weakest response ever.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Coming from someone that was raised Southern Baptist, that is the weakest response ever.
I wouldn't expect a Southern Baptist with their love of fire and brimstone to understand. It's called the "Good News" for a reason.
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