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i am, your own poll shows self identification. I can call my self an umpa lumpa all i want, it doesnt make me one.
Republicans succeeded about 20 years ago of making liberal a dirty word, so more people self identify as conservative because it sounds better, that doesnt make them conservative just as you are using the flawed premise of liberal vs conservative to compare Democrat vs Republican.
Are there not more registered Democrats than Republicans ?
There are more Conservatives than there are Progressives. How they vote depends on the individual.
When the Gate Keepers throw up two Progressives, like they have last 87 years, many Conservatives don't even vote.
The pendulum swings from right to left and back again. It is swinging to the left now but it should swing back right again sooner or later. We'll just have to see how big a mess of things the left has made when people do wake up and start voting for responsible politics again.
Not just racists. It's the party for all sorts of bigots, psychopaths, and authoritarian control freaks.
First of all, that is a non-sequitur to the quote of mine that you posted. Secondly, when you make a wild claim/accusation like that, you really need to back it up with something. You give us nothing.
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Except that their ideas aren't unpopular. Even the right wing Republicans in various states were eager to latch onto the stimulus, Obamacare, etc. They just prefer not to acknowledge how those programs came about.
Their ideas are unpopular--otherwise it would not be the case that only 20 percent of people self-ID as "liberal."
The pendulum swings from right to left and back again. It is swinging to the left now but it should swing back right again sooner or later. We'll just have to see how big a mess of things the left has made when people do wake up and start voting for responsible politics again.
Majority font really follow politics on that level to k is what's going on, as long as they have a job, place to live and so forth how they vote now is most likely how they'll continue to vote.
GOP has a major image problem that they really need to address, problem is the other sees racism in almost anything they say especially the freedom thing and the ability to get the government outta my life.
Democrats, do you know why the GOP will never die out or be permanently replaced by you? Because, NEWS FLASH, YOU AREN'T POPULAR EITHER!
The GOP is getting an F from voters, but guess what, your're getting a nice fat D- yourself, and last I checked, that's nothing to brag about.
A couple of things fundamentally wrong with your premise:
1) When asked on individual issues, Americans aren't as quarter as conservative as they think they are. They like the individual provisions of Obamacare, but don't like Obamacare. When details of recent budget proposals were surveyed, without naming whose budget it was, the majority of respondents favored the budget of the.... progressive caucus. The only issue where your argument holds water is on social issues, but even that's not as firm as it once was.
2) Many of these elections are decided in the non-presidential year ballots, when the electorate is markedly older. Older voters tend to vote GOP in higher numbers than younger ones. See 2010 vs. 2012.
3) The GOP is on life support in a number of states, such as California.
Overall, the Dems are in a much better position going forward than the GOP. The Dems biggest problem is messaging. The GOP are all over messaging, and people generally don't like what they're hearing.
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So in essence Dems have overcome the nearly 2-1 conservative/liberal ratio by pursuing Spencer Ackerman's "call them racist" strategy. And it has worked--judging by the numbers there is a widespread perception that the GOP is the party of racism. This has been enough to compensate for the unpopularity of their ideas.
"Call them racist" strategy? It's pretty easy when you have people like Gingrich saying that Spanish is the language of the ghetto.
This is why you guys will continue to lose elections: you just don't get it.
A couple of things fundamentally wrong with your premise:
1) When asked on individual issues, Americans aren't as quarter as conservative as they think they are. They like the individual provisions of Obamacare, but don't like Obamacare. When details of recent budget proposals were surveyed, without naming whose budget it was, the majority of respondents favored the budget of the.... progressive caucus. The only issue where your argument holds water is on social issues, but even that's not as firm as it once was..
Link to the study that American's aren't as 1/4 as conservative as they think they are? I mean come on guys, I at least referneced a 3rd party poll that's somewhat reputable.
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Link to the study that American's aren't as 1/4 as conservative as they think they are? I mean come on guys, I at least referneced a 3rd party poll that's somewhat reputable.
What you referenced was a link to a news site that gave its own interpretation of data in a gallop poll instead of the gallop poll itself. A poll that does not make your point as your argument was about Democrat vs Republican instead, you posted a poll about self identification as either a liberals or conservative.
Since all Democrats are not liberal and all republicans are not conservative, that poll is invalid on 2 points.
Here is Pew study on how many people identify as Dem or GOP, as well as those who belong to neither party, but lean one way or the other.
Democrats, do you know why the GOP will never die out or be permanently replaced by you? Because, NEWS FLASH, YOU AREN'T POPULAR EITHER!
The GOP is getting an F from voters, but guess what, your're getting a nice fat D- yourself, and last I checked, that's nothing to brag about.
You do realize that Democrats not only win the liberal vote but also carry the moderate vote by large margins. The reason people say the GOP is dying out is because the GOP's best age group is 65+ while Democrats best group is 18-29, as such the GOP is literally dying out. That is not the way it was under Reagan.
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