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Old 03-24-2013, 05:14 AM
 
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The GOP’s confidence gap over the deficit, in 3 charts

An interesting development - and a blow for the party which used to own "fiscal responsibility" like the family pet. By a margin of 53% to 39%, the survey's respondents have more confidence in the President than GOP leaders to deal with the deficit.

To be fair, to some extent this is probably just a reflection of what Gene Healy calls "the Superman Presidency", or the American habit of secretly preferring benevolent dictatorship: we have become accustomed to looking to the presidency as the solution to all our problems and regarding Congress as little more than a confederacy of criminals.

But even if those numbers are modified slightly to account for the "Superman effect", that's still quite a margin, a real testament to the failed extremism of the modern GOP, and probably not news to make Reince Preibus' heartburn go away.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yes, they used to own fiscal responsibility and keeping the country safe. Not no more.

That's what happens when a once great political party goes off the deep end.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:21 AM
 
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That's what happens when a once great political party goes off the deep end.
Hair afire, screaming "dog walkers!!!" all the way down.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:30 AM
 
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And yet the NYTimes says he has lost any advantage he had.

Obama Has Lost Advantage Over G.O.P. on Economy

During the debate over the so-called fiscal cliff in December, public opinion surveys showed more Americans trusted President Obama than trusted Republicans in Congress when it came to handling the nation’s economy. The New Year’s Day deal to avoid going over the cliff, which included higher marginal tax rates on high earners — something Mr. Obama had campaigned on and lobbied for — was largely seen as a victory for the president.

But with more budget battles approaching, over raising the nation’s borrowing limit and perhaps reaching a grand bargain, Mr. Obama’s advantage over Congressional Republicans has all but vanished. Public approval of his handling of the economy has slipped, according to polls, and surveys now show that a roughly equal number of Americans favor Mr. Obama as favor Congressional Republicans on economic matters.


Obama Has Lost Advantage Over G.O.P. on Economy - NYTimes.com

The one graph that shows him with an advantage, and let's be honest a 22% rate really sucks is not comparing apples to apples.

If I was asked about GOP leaders, I couldn't answer positively as I do not trust Boehner to get a good deal done. Now ask me specifically about Rand Paul and you get another answer.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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Lightbulb Pew Poll: Obama more trusted on budget than GOP

The GOP has changed over the past couple of decades. It used to be the party of rational fiscal policy, nonintervention in overseas conflicts, and minimal government intrusion into personal affairs.

It has devolved to the point of now advocating for perpetual war, minimizing responsibility for the wealthy while shifting the burden to workers, and getting the government intimately involved in the most personal of individual situations.

The poll results should surprise no one.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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The GOP has changed over the past couple of decades. It used to be the party of rational fiscal policy, nonintervention in overseas conflicts, and minimal government intrusion into personal affairs.

It has devolved to the point of now advocating for perpetual war, minimizing responsibility for the wealthy while shifting the burden to workers, and getting the government intimately involved in the most personal of individual situations.
I think you have to go back longer than that. 20 years is Reagan. who claimed small gov then made it the biggest ever, claimed fiscal responsibility and tripled the deficit. His words never matched his actions.

I'm thinking you have to go back to Eisenhower or Goldwater to get a real repub. That was back when they let their differences go after election day and got to work for the people again after. What a sad time it is in that party no.

It isn't like reps can say they are Libertarians either. What they were simply has no place any more. The deals with the moral majority and the Kochs has gone into the direction of obscurity. Once it was the Grand Old Party now its just a Group of Pimps.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No doubt about it. Ike was the best GOP prez in the past 100 years. And maybe the best of either party.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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I think you have to go back longer than that. 20 years is Reagan.
Twenty years is Clinton, technically. But I'm sure O.G. just meant loosely "a few decades".
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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The poll didn't ask me, nor did they ask anybody I know.
But, it figures. If they had asked us, it would not have enhanced the figures they wanted to prove.
Find a premise, then ask the right people, and you will prove the premise.
I don't believe polls.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The poll didn't ask me, nor did they ask anybody I know.
But, it figures. If they had asked us, it would not have enhanced the figures they wanted to prove.
Find a premise, then ask the right people, and you will prove the premise.
I don't believe polls.

Thanks for sharing.
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