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Latino is someone/nation from the latin origin nations France, Spain, Italy
hispanic is someone with spanish decent.
Pope frances was born in a Latin American nation but is not hispanic.
pope Francis is latino.
Actually, no. A Latino is someone who resides in Latin America. France, Spain and Italy are not Latin American countries.
You are correct about Hispanics being from Spanish ancestors. However, one may reside in Argentina but not be culturally or ethnically Hispanic. The Pope may be ethnically like his Italian parents rather than Hispanic as I don't think he has elaborated on that but he is a Latino geographically.
Nah, I know white Argentinians who call themseves hispanic.
But they aren't speaking to race; hispanic is cultural in that usage, I would bet. The Argentinians I have known are adamant that they are white Europeans in terms of race. Honestly when they talk about this, which is seldom thankfully, I can understand how Argentina was a Nazi haven.
Actually, no. A Latino is someone who resides in Latin America. France, Spain and Italy are not Latin American countries.
You are correct about Hispanics being from Spanish ancestors. However, one may reside in Argentina but not be culturally or ethnically Hispanic. The Pope may be ethnically like his Italian parents rather than Hispanic as I don't think he has elaborated on that but he is a Latino geographically.
Right. A Latino could be blond with blue eyes, or black as ink. It has nothing to do with race.
But they aren't speaking to race; hispanic is cultural in that usage, I would bet. The Argentinians I have known are adamant that they are white Europeans in terms of race. Honestly when they talk about this, which is seldom thankfully, I can understand how Argentina was a Nazi haven.
That's the thing. You can't speak of being Latin in terms of race, because if has nothing to do with race. The Nazis were not looking for a country with most while people, the were looking for any country who would take them, and Argentina happend to be one of those places. Many of them ended up in Brazil too.
You cannot be hispanic, unless you are from Spanish speaking central or south america. Italians are not latin/hispanic.
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The pope is of Italian family but HE comes from Argentina so he'd count as a Hispanic. Tho calling Spaniards "Hispanic" sometimes makes them mad despite it being the truth.
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"Race" seems to get confused with "ethnicity" in the US. "Hispanic" or "Latino" are not races; they are usually just group/geographic descriptions.
In common usage in the US, it usually means native or mestizo, though. That's probably fair to say as well. "Mestizo" meaning someone of Amerindian/Mesoamerican origin mixed with European settler ancestry or sometimes African ancestry. That's why the stereotypical "Latino" in the American imagination looks more or less like a Mexican of mestizo ancestry.
Argentina is almost entirely composed of the descendants of European settlers--it's a melting pot like us in that regard--although there's almost no mestizo (native) population like you'd see in much of the rest of South America, or the black/multiracial populations you'd see in countries like Brazil that imported African slaves earlier in their history (just like us). I was lucky enough to visit Argentina once (it was decades ago) but the people actually reminded me more of the Spanish (like in Barcelona) or sometimes even the French--dignified, poised and proud, even if they're from humble circumstances. That said--they consider themselves Argentinians, not Europeans, just like we consider ourselves Americans. Buenos Aires is a very sophisticated, beautiful city. I was surprised at the number of German last names as well--they're not all just decended from Italian or Spanish colonists--people settled there from all over Europe. I don't know why they'd react badly to being called Latinos--they're Latin American. I think we're the ones who put the racial connotations on that, but I could be wrong. I didn't ask anyone how they felt about it while I was there.
of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain or of Spain and Portugal
Nothing to do w/ whether one is from central or south america. I've also seen several places where hispanic is defined as being related to Spanish-speaking. That def excludes Brazil, hence the rebirth of "latino" which had been commonly used in the 1980's. Hispanic-Latino naming dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Identity politics is bread & butter for the left, hence the need to continually refine the categories and spiff up the labels.
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