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I was starting to look up to this guy for his guts in his recent filibuster episode on the Senate floor. But, he just spouts off his ignorance by saying things like this. He overlooks how many OTHER rights automatically go with marriage and ONLY marriage. Civil unions don't touch all of the extra legal, inheritance, adoption and cohabitation rights that marriages do. If everyone were to pay a flat tax just so we don't have to give marriage to the gays, could you imagine all of the hetero couples who would be irate when their tax bills would nearly double, (if not more)?
I was starting to look up to this guy for his guts in his recent filibuster episode on the Senate floor. But, he just spouts off his ignorance by saying things like this. He overlooks how many OTHER rights automatically go with marriage and ONLY marriage. Civil unions don't touch all of the extra legal, inheritance, adoption and cohabitation rights that marriages do. If everyone were to pay a flat tax just so we don't have to give marriage to the gays, could you imagine all of the hetero couples who would be irate when their tax bills would nearly double, (if not more)?
Remove taxation and where is the special benefit of marriage, any marriage? Ok, your spouse can't be forced to tesify against you, but other than that isn't it all taxation?
Remove taxation and where is the special benefit of marriage, any marriage? Ok, your spouse can't be forced to tesify against you, but other than that isn't it all taxation?
Hospital visitation...
Yes another tax, but estate taxes can be avoided if it is your spouse.
I was starting to look up to this guy for his guts in his recent filibuster episode on the Senate floor. But, he just spouts off his ignorance by saying things like this. He overlooks how many OTHER rights automatically go with marriage and ONLY marriage. Civil unions don't touch all of the extra legal, inheritance, adoption and cohabitation rights that marriages do. If everyone were to pay a flat tax just so we don't have to give marriage to the gays, could you imagine all of the hetero couples who would be irate when their tax bills would nearly double, (if not more)?
I agree with you and it does look ridiculous. But this is also more than Obama was publicly willing to give gay couples just 10 months ago. Perhaps he can evolve more?
Remove taxation and where is the special benefit of marriage, any marriage? Ok, your spouse can't be forced to tesify against you, but other than that isn't it all taxation?
Are you kidding? Try 1,138 benefits from the civil act of marriage.
According to the Government Accounting Office, "[A]s of December 31, 2003, our research identified a total of 1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges." http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf
Remove taxation and where is the special benefit of marriage, any marriage? Ok, your spouse can't be forced to tesify against you, but other than that isn't it all taxation?
Spousal immigration visas, right to make emergency medical decisions, spouses gain the right to sue for wrongful death in courts of law, co-habitation base housing for those in the military, right for military spouses to shop at base commissaries, social security survivor benefits, spousal death benefits if a military member or cop or firefighter is killed in the line of duty, prison visitation (such as conjugal) rights, inheritance rights..........
Sheesh, read past the headlines people (better yet watch the clip and see what he really said):
“I think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of our laws more neutral towards the issue. And I don’t want the government promoting something I don’t believe in, but I also don’t mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue.”
Okay, so a flat income tax for all persons regardless of marriage. I can stand behind that.
But what does he propose for marriage benefits like FMLA? Anybody being able to claim anybody?
What does he propose for inheritance tax? Everyone get hit with it regardless of marital status?
Sorry, not sorry, Rand Paul, but I while you "don’t want the government promoting something [you] don’t believe in", I don't want the government promoting something I don't believe in, either - the discrimination of people based upon gender or sexual orientation.
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Originally Posted by Ultor
Sheesh, read past the headlines people (better yet watch the clip and see what he really said):
“I think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of our laws more neutral towards the issue. And I don’t want the government promoting something I don’t believe in, but I also don’t mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue.”
To make the laws neutral, it would essentially end up with (or should end up with) heterosexual married couples being treated no different than a married/unioned/etc homosexual couple. I honestly doubt that many heterosexual married couples would be happy getting their tax bills doubled. Or losing out on many of the non-monetary benefits that they enjoy without realizing it.
Right now, if my spouse was in need of consistent medical care, I would be able to use FMLA to ensure leave without pay in order to care for him. If I became pregnant, I would be able to use FMLA to ensure that I would have adequate leave (without pay) for prenatal appointments and to take care of myself and the child after delivery. My spouse would also get FMLA to take care of myself and the child. To make FMLA equal between heterosexuals and homosexuals would require either providing the benefit to homosexual couples or removing the benefit from heterosexual couples. Which one is more appealing?
Take away the ability for a spouse to care for a spouse
or
Add an addendum for a spouse to care for a same-gendered spouse
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