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I would just like to know why liberals trust "government" as a concept more than "big business" as a concept.
It was Big Business that was the issue leading to American Revolution, so people could have a government they could trust. But, that is history, and as the typical "conservative" you prefer to stick with the present.
I could also quote Mussolini's love for Big Business over democratically elected government but that too would be history.
Most intelligent people study history and some, still living, have witnessed the atrocities committed by "government." Tell me why someone should trust an entity that counts the Khmer Rouge and Nazism in its fold, over Walmart and Costco.
I read this, and think to myself that this must've been written by someone in a mental institution. This can't possibly have been written by someone who's well. Never.
WTF is so hard for you people to understand about Fascism?
What is capitalism? It's a property theory that states capital is best left in the hands of those that can build up capital.
Now what is capitalism if it's monitored, severely regulated and competed against by government? Why, that's Fascism.
Fasces -
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2. (in ancient Rome) A bundle of rods with a projecting ax blade, carried by a lictor as a symbol of a magistrate's power.
1. (in Fascist Italy) Such items used as emblems of authority.
Fascism -
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1. An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
2. (in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
Now HTF is Fascism pro-business? It's not and to act like it is is to be either completely ignorant, purposefully obtuse or, at its worst, a spreader of propaganda.
Fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer and that's the most accurate statement that could be said for 20th century Fascism.
Because Corporations are Amoral. That is they will do what they do if it kills you or saves your life, which ever makes a profit. government theoretically does what ever gets your vote. They are supposed to be beholding to you. Money for campaigns have degraded the proses so that corporations now have the upper hand.
I would just like to know why liberals trust "government" as a concept more than "big business" as a concept. I am giving liberals far more ground here because I could have said that liberals trust the government more than business, but instead, I said "Big Business" which should allow liberals to present a far more convincing argument to trust "government" over "big business."
I'm willing to go tit-for-tat with liberals and name off atrocity after atrocity that government has performed, in turn liberals name atrocities that corporations have committed. I just don't know what about government has convinced the left that it has the propensity toward "good" while big business is bad. I mean think of the Holocaust, Khmer Rouge, Maoism, North Korea, Stalinism, etc...the list goes on of atrocities committed by governments.
Because big business will kill you for a dollar. Lets look at the asbestos, tobacco, and drug companies.
The CEO's from the asbestos companies knew their workers were getting cancer from working with asbestos, but they hid this information from their workers and the public to increase profits. The tobacco companies knew the same thing about their products, but they hid the information. And then they paid scientists to say tobacco does not cause cancer to protect their profits. And today's drug companies often learn their new drugs kill people in their pre-market clinical trials. But the drug companies put the drugs on the market anyway, because they know they will make $4 billion dollars in profits from the drug, and only have to pay $1 billion dollars in lawsuits for the drug that kills people.
The only thing business can be trusted to do, is to (try) to make money.
A government is a group of people who looks out for their population. A business is an organization that only tries to make money.
You business lovers are not even real men, real men protect and care for women and children. But men like you are against welfare to feed hungry children. And men like you also block all attempts to save the 20,000 women who die each year from not having health insurance.
I wonder how any man can care about "big bossiness" more than women or children.
Are you a homosexual who loves rich CEO's ??
Not to be off topic...or maybe to get back on topic,
If a company has a quality product where it makes money and people want to buy it, it is in the company's best interest to be clean.
Anyways, people have consciences, so workers don't really want to do anything that bad, so companies tend to stay clean.
It's only when the companies really don't have much of a product, they have low turnover in senior management, there is a ton of financial inertia that will basically end people's lives if the company goes under, that things tend to go wrong.
Ironically, those are ALL of the features of government.
So basically, government is a gigantic institution with a nebulous, undefined product, virtually zero turnover in all of its extended bureaucracy...and people stand to lose their lives and livelihood if it fails.
Also, it has the power of life and death over millions of people and a permanent income in the form of taxes.
The ONLY reason a government stays efficient (much less clean) is if there is an enemy government neighboring it, and it can't connive with the government--in other words, the enemy government is worse off and likely to invade (i.e. Soviet Russia).
Otherwise, it possesses ALL of the hallmarks of corruption and dirty dealings, and no one can hold it back or watch over it.
Government IS a big business...only, you can't shut it down, and it will murder its own citizens before it closes up shop--either systematically (Stalin, Hitler), or in war (Syria, etc.).
I'll hazard a guess as to why libs trust gov: I think it might be because they don't think "government" is made up of people. They think it is a force, or a "power" rather than a human contraption.
Kindof like a god. Or a big river. And if only they can get in control of the river, then good things will happen. And if good things aren't happening, it's because the river isn't big enough.
But they don't understand--good things will only ever happen if you remove all the features of government that are a breeding ground for corruption: permanent income, no turnover, internal lives on the line of it fails, absolute authority over its citizens, nebulous product, no real profit, etc.
If an elected official is terrible, I can vote them out. Much more difficult to do with a corporate CEO.
Yeah, if an elected official is terrible. But that is only true in the US and *some* of Europe and ex commonwealth countries. Everywhere else in the world--everywhere--votes are rigged. If the politician is liked by the other guys in government...if he is part of the club, then you won't get rid of him short of shooting him.
And if he is a dictator, even that might not get rid of him. Some countries get led by dead bodies (Venezuela, Cuba).
In the US, if your district is an inner city district, your vote means nothing. Everyone is on the take in every inner city, in every city. Minnie Mouse will vote 100 times for every one of your votes...
But if a CEO sucks, he is out on a rail within days, weeks, months or the first quarter's downturn. If the executive branch of a company is lousy, the company goes away. Blah etc. CEOs have no FBI agents, secret service, aircraft carriers, judiciary, attorney general, etc.
Regardless, government is a business. A really poorly designed business with lots of guns...and what's worse, executives in government have virtually no power over the bureaucracy that actually exercises the power and authority of the government, aside from deciding whether or not to feed it money...and that is in the US, which is one of the better designed governments.
So even our government is effectively a body of appointed lifers who actually exercise power...and the homies we vote in to apportion that power and make appointments.
So, I don't really understand your point. Your life is in the hands of these regular, everyday people...and whenever our lives are in the hands of other people, we like to know that someone is going to "get em" if they misbehave--for instance, if that hole in a hummer runs you over while you are walking through a parking lot, he should be apprehended by someone.
Well, a government is like that guy in the hummer. Except it's the worlds largest car. The people at the wheel can't lose their jobs...and the officials we vote in can only drive from the back seat.
Imagine if, tomorrow, the government rounded up a city and started gassing the civilians. There is nothing anyone would be able to do to stop it. The American people would do nothing. And the socialists would say: they had it coming. They weren't fair. They weren't sharing. So they deserve to die. They wouldn't even be ashamed (libs have great difficulty feeling shame--that is perhaps the single scariest feature of your average democrat).
That is exactly what happened with the natzis. They seized the wealth of the Jewish people, and spent it on the war effort to find more "living space" for the economically desperate Germans after the crippling sanctions of WW1. Meanwhile, they gassed the Jews. Who do you think was saying they had it coming? Why, the people who feel justified in spreading the wealth...people who believe that the definition of fairness is equal distribution of resources, etc. Basically, the kids who, when you saved up the Oreos at snack time in preschool for later, demanded you share later that afternoon. Those people are liberals, as defined in America.
Anyways, yeah, in terms of what the gov *can do* right now, this second, to end all of our lives as we know them...means that if you don't see it as a construct of people, rather than a divine hierarchy a la 16th century England (which is def how everyday libs view it, when you look at how they treat their candidates--like royalty), in need of oversight...then if you don't walk across busy streets wearing a blindfold, you are a hypocrite.
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